Quuick question

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Serious question:

Specifically, why is a regulation that, at the minimum:

1) shows respect for a wild animal

No, I doubt very seriously that regs are in place to show respect for fish.

2) improves the quality of fishng and the health of the fishery

Yes, I would hope so.

3) creates a defensible position for the future of angling

Yes, again.


A "hair-brained" scheme?

Yes!


Also, I am NOT the one ramming this down anyones's throats.

Yes you are. You yourself call trout fishing a sport. If you believe that
from it's inception that fly or any other form of fishing has been solely
about sustenance, you would be wrong. "Sport" of all kind has been with us
since man recognised his passion for competition, regardless of who or what
he competed against.

In the 2006
Colorado fishing pamphlet there are more and more rivers under
ridiculous regulations and 'Catch and Release Recommended" signs
erected by trout unlimited mavens along the stream. This is an absolute
attack on me as an angler.

How? "Catch and Release Recommended" is not a pohibition on catch and kill!

I do NOT support the current 'trend' in
flyfishing regulations where the 'conservation leaders' have the BALLS
to espouse angling 'competitions' on the public, moving waters of
Colorado and then lie that it is 'for conservation'.

Who said that you had to? I've had all sorts of things "recommended" to me
that I was not inclined to follow.

No way should we
use a wild animal like this and no way will I buy the spooge these
people are selling.

Are you a donating PETA member? If you are not donating to their cause, you
surely should be.

But, please, do NOT say that I am forcing anything
down anyone's throats, just the opposite, I am protecting my right to
fish to catch, kill and eat fish.

Come to NC. There are many *wild* trout stream in our national forests that
are catch and kill friendly.

Op


Thanks,

TBone

Mr. Opus McDopus wrote:
wrote in message
oups.com...
Serious question:

Specifically, why is a regulation that, at the minimum:

1) shows respect for a wild animal

No, I doubt very seriously that regs are in place to show respect for fish.

2) improves the quality of fishng and the health of the fishery

Yes, I would hope so.

3) creates a defensible position for the future of angling

Yes, again.


A "hair-brained" scheme?

Yes!


Also, I am NOT the one ramming this down anyones's throats.

Yes you are. You yourself call trout fishing a sport. If you believe that
from it's inception that fly or any other form of fishing has been solely
about sustenance, you would be wrong. "Sport" of all kind has been with us
since man recognised his passion for competition, regardless of who or what
he competed against.

In the 2006
Colorado fishing pamphlet there are more and more rivers under
ridiculous regulations and 'Catch and Release Recommended" signs
erected by trout unlimited mavens along the stream. This is an absolute
attack on me as an angler.

How? "Catch and Release Recommended" is not a pohibition on catch and kill!

I do NOT support the current 'trend' in
flyfishing regulations where the 'conservation leaders' have the BALLS
to espouse angling 'competitions' on the public, moving waters of
Colorado and then lie that it is 'for conservation'.

Who said that you had to? I've had all sorts of things "recommended" to me
that I was not inclined to follow.

No way should we
use a wild animal like this and no way will I buy the spooge these
people are selling.

Are you a donating PETA member? If you are not donating to their cause, you
surely should be.

But, please, do NOT say that I am forcing anything
down anyone's throats, just the opposite, I am protecting my right to
fish to catch, kill and eat fish.

Come to NC. There are many *wild* trout stream in our national forests that
are catch and kill friendly.

Op


Thanks,

TBone


You seriously underestimate me Op. Trust me on one thing, I use my
terms carefully. That I fully understand the difference between a sport
and a pastime should be clear. As Thomas McIntyre suggests, a pastime
is playing frisbee on the beach or 3 putting the 9th, while true sport
as Ortega y Gasset, the Spanish philospher says, involves homage,
dedication and the death of a wild animal. That it is serious business,
and I quote:

"One does not hunt in order to kill; on the contrary, one kills in
order to have hunted...If one were to present the sportsman with the
death of the animal as a gift he would refuse it. What he is after is
having to win it, to conquer the surly brute through his own effort and
skill with all the extras that this carries with it: the immersion in
the countryside, the healthfulness of the exercise, the distraction
from his job.
Jose Ortega y Gasset, Meditations on Hunting.

Your pal,

TBone
Guilt repolaced the creel

I had hoped this group would be a departure from the idiot conversations
and stupid Ideas sometimes expressed at Roff but I see its just another
rubber room for the lunitic fringe. I will not bother with it again. good
day.
wrote in message
oups.com...

Mr. Opus McDopus wrote:
wrote in message
oups.com...
Serious question:

Specifically, why is a regulation that, at the minimum:

1) shows respect for a wild animal

No, I doubt very seriously that regs are in place to show respect for
fish.

2) improves the quality of fishng and the health of the fishery

Yes, I would hope so.

3) creates a defensible position for the future of angling

Yes, again.


A "hair-brained" scheme?

Yes!


Also, I am NOT the one ramming this down anyones's throats.

Yes you are. You yourself call trout fishing a sport. If you believe
that
from it's inception that fly or any other form of fishing has been solely
about sustenance, you would be wrong. "Sport" of all kind has been with
us
since man recognised his passion for competition, regardless of who or
what
he competed against.

In the 2006
Colorado fishing pamphlet there are more and more rivers under
ridiculous regulations and 'Catch and Release Recommended" signs
erected by trout unlimited mavens along the stream. This is an absolute
attack on me as an angler.

How? "Catch and Release Recommended" is not a pohibition on catch and
kill!

I do NOT support the current 'trend' in
flyfishing regulations where the 'conservation leaders' have the BALLS
to espouse angling 'competitions' on the public, moving waters of
Colorado and then lie that it is 'for conservation'.

Who said that you had to? I've had all sorts of things "recommended" to
me
that I was not inclined to follow.

No way should we
use a wild animal like this and no way will I buy the spooge these
people are selling.

Are you a donating PETA member? If you are not donating to their cause,
you
surely should be.

But, please, do NOT say that I am forcing anything
down anyone's throats, just the opposite, I am protecting my right to
fish to catch, kill and eat fish.

Come to NC. There are many *wild* trout stream in our national forests
that
are catch and kill friendly.

Op


Thanks,

TBone


You seriously underestimate me Op. Trust me on one thing, I use my
terms carefully. That I fully understand the difference between a sport
and a pastime should be clear. As Thomas McIntyre suggests, a pastime
is playing frisbee on the beach or 3 putting the 9th, while true sport
as Ortega y Gasset, the Spanish philospher says, involves homage,
dedication and the death of a wild animal. That it is serious business,
and I quote:

"One does not hunt in order to kill; on the contrary, one kills in
order to have hunted...If one were to present the sportsman with the
death of the animal as a gift he would refuse it. What he is after is
having to win it, to conquer the surly brute through his own effort and
skill with all the extras that this carries with it: the immersion in
the countryside, the healthfulness of the exercise, the distraction
from his job.
Jose Ortega y Gasset, Meditations on Hunting.

Your pal,

TBone
Guilt repolaced the creel

cheeses of nazareth typed:
I had hoped this group would be a departure from the idiot
conversations and stupid Ideas sometimes expressed at Roff but I
see its just another rubber room for the lunitic fringe. I will not
bother with it again. good day.

You will be missed, and don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way
out.
--
TL,
Tim
-------------------------
http://css.sbcma.com/timj

cheesesofnazareth wrote:
I had hoped this group would be a departure from the idiot conversations
and stupid Ideas sometimes expressed at Roff but I see its just another
rubber room for the lunitic fringe. I will not bother with it again. good
day.
wrote in message
oups.com...

Mr. Opus McDopus wrote:
wrote in message
oups.com...
Serious question:

Specifically, why is a regulation that, at the minimum:

1) shows respect for a wild animal

No, I doubt very seriously that regs are in place to show respect for
fish.

2) improves the quality of fishng and the health of the fishery

Yes, I would hope so.

3) creates a defensible position for the future of angling

Yes, again.


A "hair-brained" scheme?

Yes!


Also, I am NOT the one ramming this down anyones's throats.

Yes you are. You yourself call trout fishing a sport. If you believe
that
from it's inception that fly or any other form of fishing has been solely
about sustenance, you would be wrong. "Sport" of all kind has been with
us
since man recognised his passion for competition, regardless of who or
what
he competed against.

In the 2006
Colorado fishing pamphlet there are more and more rivers under
ridiculous regulations and 'Catch and Release Recommended" signs
erected by trout unlimited mavens along the stream. This is an absolute
attack on me as an angler.

How? "Catch and Release Recommended" is not a pohibition on catch and
kill!

I do NOT support the current 'trend' in
flyfishing regulations where the 'conservation leaders' have the BALLS
to espouse angling 'competitions' on the public, moving waters of
Colorado and then lie that it is 'for conservation'.

Who said that you had to? I've had all sorts of things "recommended" to
me
that I was not inclined to follow.

No way should we
use a wild animal like this and no way will I buy the spooge these
people are selling.

Are you a donating PETA member? If you are not donating to their cause,
you
surely should be.

But, please, do NOT say that I am forcing anything
down anyone's throats, just the opposite, I am protecting my right to
fish to catch, kill and eat fish.

Come to NC. There are many *wild* trout stream in our national forests
that
are catch and kill friendly.

Op


Thanks,

TBone


You seriously underestimate me Op. Trust me on one thing, I use my
terms carefully. That I fully understand the difference between a sport
and a pastime should be clear. As Thomas McIntyre suggests, a pastime
is playing frisbee on the beach or 3 putting the 9th, while true sport
as Ortega y Gasset, the Spanish philospher says, involves homage,
dedication and the death of a wild animal. That it is serious business,
and I quote:

"One does not hunt in order to kill; on the contrary, one kills in
order to have hunted...If one were to present the sportsman with the
death of the animal as a gift he would refuse it. What he is after is
having to win it, to conquer the surly brute through his own effort and
skill with all the extras that this carries with it: the immersion in
the countryside, the healthfulness of the exercise, the distraction
from his job.
Jose Ortega y Gasset, Meditations on Hunting.

Your pal,

TBone
Guilt repolaced the creel


Hi Cheeses,

This group will only be as good as the contributors. There are several
great articles to reply to here already, or you could post some
original content!

OBAF: When fishing tiny midges in or under the film, try a very, very
small piece of foam strike-on indicator about 18" up from the fly. This
will help you keep an eye on where your fly is, will buoy it and will
serve to help detect the sip.

Your pal,

Halfordian Golfer
Guilt replaced the creel

cheeses of nazareth wrote in message
...
I had hoped this group would be a departure from the idiot conversations
and stupid Ideas sometimes expressed at Roff but I see its just another
rubber room for the lunitic fringe. I will not bother with it again. good
day.

Geez, cheeze whiz. What's got your panties in a sticky mess? If ya ain't
got anything to offer, other than a whiny assed post, I'd figure ya coulda
just passed on by, without a cryin'!

Op

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You seriously underestimate me Op.

I've never tried to estimate you at all, Tim.

Trust me on one thing, I use my
terms carefully.

"wet golfing"? Um...thats' when someone golfs during a rainstorm, IMMHO.

That I fully understand the difference between a sport
and a pastime should be clear. As Thomas McIntyre suggests, a pastime
is playing frisbee on the beach or 3 putting the 9th, while true sport
as Ortega y Gasset, the Spanish philospher says, involves homage,
dedication and the death of a wild animal. That it is serious business,
and I quote:

So, a "sport" is only when something has to die? Funny, they call football,
baseball, basketball....sports. Of course, there are no wild animals
involved in those sports. 'coon hunters don't always kill their prey nor do
bear hunters, yet they are still hunters, I think. It's pretty common,
around these parts, for bear and 'coon hunters to tree their prey and not
kill them. Sometimes it's for training, sometimes it's because the bear or
'coon is a female with cubs and whatever 'coon babies are called, sometimes
it's just for that sport of it! They just love to hear their dogs baying.


"One does not hunt in order to kill; on the contrary, one kills in
order to have hunted...If one were to present the sportsman with the
death of the animal as a gift he would refuse it. What he is after is
having to win it, to conquer the surly brute through his own effort and
skill with all the extras that this carries with it: the immersion in
the countryside, the healthfulness of the exercise, the distraction
from his job.
Jose Ortega y Gasset, Meditations on Hunting.

That this fella believes the way that he does/did, doesn't make it gospel!
You can quote others until the cows come home, but it don't make it a fact!

Your pal,

TBone
Guilt repolaced the creel