PMWS pork entering food chain

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On Fri, 19 Jan 2007 12:29:03 -0000, "Jim Webster"
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THERE _IS_ ENOUGH FOOD TO GO ROUND - TO FEED
PEOPLE DIRECTLY; THERE IS NOT ENOUGH TO FEED
LIVESTOCK TOO. IT IS EITHER PEOPLE, WILDLIFE,
AND THE ENVIRONMENT, OR, PEOPLE EATING MEAT.

That is, as we've seen, *SOME* PEOPLE EATING MEAT.
The rest (~50%) can die of starvation and poverty-related
diseases as far a jim and co are concerned. And as global
warming and the unsustainable abuse of natural resources
continues, fewer and fewer people will have enough to eat..

It's time to make some wise choices and do the right thing.

don't tell me, tell the Chinese and the South Americans and the
others
who
grow the soya you vegetarians depend on

I'm telling you and others who require more than your fair share
in the form of grain, land, water, energy for feed for livestock.

never mind pearl, I don't really care what you eat or do for a living,
if
it
embarasses you that much

Not at all. And all you needed to say was "I really don't care".



afraid to post under her real name

Protection from extremist bullies like you is a good idea.

ashamed of her job

At least she has one. Unlike you and your family of state benefit
ponces, brought up on handouts at the taxpayers expense!

embarassed by her diet

You're the one happy to abuse your diet, yourself and your family.
Look what it's done for you!

poor pearl

Jim Webster

Poor Jim Webster, forced to backtrack so many times, after discovering
bullies don't always win. Where shall we start next?

yawn
still trying to get the finger prints off your spade pete

another saddo who is too embarassed by his opinions to actually allow his
name to be known.

Wonder if those already doing time might mention a few names as proof of
good behaviour, just to get out early


Back in the kilfile for you

On Fri, 19 Jan 2007 12:54:20 -0000, "Jim Webster"
wrote:


"pearl" wrote in message
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"pearl" wrote in message
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THERE _IS_ ENOUGH FOOD TO GO ROUND - TO FEED
PEOPLE DIRECTLY; THERE IS NOT ENOUGH TO FEED
LIVESTOCK TOO. IT IS EITHER PEOPLE, WILDLIFE,
AND THE ENVIRONMENT, OR, PEOPLE EATING MEAT.

That is, as we've seen, *SOME* PEOPLE EATING MEAT.
The rest (~50%) can die of starvation and poverty-related
diseases as far a jim and co are concerned. And as global
warming and the unsustainable abuse of natural resources
continues, fewer and fewer people will have enough to eat..

It's time to make some wise choices and do the right thing.

don't tell me, tell the Chinese and the South Americans and the
others
who
grow the soya you vegetarians depend on

I'm telling you and others who require more than your fair share
in the form of grain, land, water, energy for feed for livestock.

never mind pearl, I don't really care what you eat or do for a living,
if
it
embarasses you that much

Not at all. And all you needed to say was "I really don't care".



afraid to post under her real name

Protection from extremist bullies like you is a good idea.

ashamed of her job

At least she has one. Unlike you and your family of state benefit
ponces, brought up on handouts at the taxpayers expense!

embarassed by her diet

You're the one happy to abuse your diet, yourself and your family.
Look what it's done for you!

poor pearl

Jim Webster

Poor Jim Webster, forced to backtrack so many times, after discovering
bullies don't always win. Where shall we start next?

yawn
still trying to get the finger prints off your spade pete

Oops. Kill file stopped working again Dimbo?

another saddo who is too embarassed by his opinions to actually allow his
name to be known.

If you cant bully girls successfully, how on earth do you expect to
bully guys? I wonder if anyone foolish enough to know you is aware you
bully girls?

Wonder if those already doing time might mention a few names as proof of
good behaviour, just to get out early

Wouldn't help you and your bully boy friends, you are too yellow to
stand up for yourselves, that's what bullies do!

Back in the kilfile for you

Bit like everything in your imaginary world. It doesn't work!

"pearl" wrote in message
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"Jim Webster" wrote in message
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"pearl" wrote in message
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"(o)(o)" wrote in message
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That's our dimbo. He cares little for himself or his own family, let
alone the global community.

That is clear, and he doesn't seem to realise that most people reading
this
do care about other human beings, if not biodiversity and
sustainability.

no, I'm posting for those intelligent enough to work out that the ones
who
matter are the Brazilians, Chinese and Indians,

That doesn't require any working out.

pete and pearl and irrelevent

I do hope that you're enjoying the weather.







Why the bloody hell don't you restrict the posting to the group you read it
in, stop crossposting all this rubbish

"Jim Webster" wrote in message
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Wonder if those already doing time might mention a few names as proof of
good behaviour, just to get out early


Given all the anti-terrorist activity I would assume that the names of
people associated with the imprisonned AR folk
are already known and watched.

"Hamish" wrote in message
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"Jim Webster" wrote in message
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Wonder if those already doing time might mention a few names as proof of
good behaviour, just to get out early


Given all the anti-terrorist activity I would assume that the names of
people associated with the imprisonned AR folk
are already known and watched.

Inevitable really.
It has been suggested that one of the suggested functions of the ID card is
that you punch your ID number in before logging on to the internet.
But then those with nothing to hide will have nothing to worry about, as
pete keeps telling us ;-))

Jim Webster

"Jim Webster" wrote in message ...

"pearl" wrote in message
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"Jim Webster" wrote in message
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"pearl" wrote in message
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"(o)(o)" wrote in message
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That's our dimbo. He cares little for himself or his own family, let
alone the global community.

That is clear, and he doesn't seem to realise that most people reading
this do care about other human beings, if not biodiversity and
sustainability.

no, I'm posting for those intelligent enough to work out that the ones
who
matter are the Brazilians, Chinese and Indians,

That doesn't require any working out.

you are having trouble grasping it

No, you seem to be, but of course no one could be that stupid.

This is from my reply to the post you removed 3 Newsgroups
from, btw. You sorely need a better edjumacation, webster..

'The USSR was the largest grain importer in the world in the 1980s,
importing an average of 36 million tonnes per year, much of which
went to Russia (Figure 3). At the end of the 1980s the Russian
Federation was importing about 20 million tonnes of grain per year.
[3] After 1993, however, the Russian Federation drastically reduced
imports of grain. This is entirely reasonable, since feed demand for
grain had fallen due to the fall in livestock inventories. Meat imports,
particularly of poultry meat, increased rather dramatically in these
years (Figure 3). The rouble devaluation of 1998 caused a decrease
in meat imports. But healthy economic growth between 1999 and
2001 fuelled a growth in meat imports once again.

The main reasons for these revolutionary changes in Russian
agricultural production, use and trade lie in a change in the position
of the livestock sector in Russian agriculture in the Soviet period
and after. In the 1960s and 1970s, Krushchev and particularly
Brezhnev made the decision to improve the Soviet standard of
living primarily by increasing consumption of livestock products.
To increase meat production, the Brezhnev regime concentrated
on investing in "industrial" livestock production (Van Atta, 1993).
Demand for meat was ensured by keeping Soviet retail prices for
meat virtually constant from the mid-1960s to 1990. Increasing
livestock inventories also required increases in grain for feed.
Soviet grain production increases (predominantly in Russia and
Kazakhstan) of about 60 million tonnes per year from the early
1960s to the late 1970s was not sufficient to support the increase
in livestock inventories. For this reason, Soviet imports of grain
increased from near zero in 1970 to 36 million tonnes per year in
the 1980s (Shend, 1993).
...'
http://www.fao.org/docrep/007/y5069e/y5069e03.htm

pete and pearl and irrelevent

I do hope that you're enjoying the weather.

of course, as our house was built four or more centuries before planning
acts it is in a sensible place.
As opposed to where local government would want us to build

Yeah, they sure don't make things like they used to or should
( http://www.kintaline.co.uk/stormatjims.html ) , but at least
these days there's insurance to pick up the tab, and as long as
jim personally is ok, then surely that's all that matters (to jim).

'Europe Mops Up After Storm Kills 47
By DAVID RISING
AP

BERLIN (Jan. 19) - Europeans worked Friday to restore
services across the continent after hurricane-force winds
toppled trees, brought down power lines and damaged
buildings, killing at least 47 people and disrupting travel
for tens of thousands.
...
Hurricane-force winds and driving rain left 14 people dead
in Britain, 12 in Germany, six each in the Netherlands and
Poland, four in the Czech Republic, three in France and
two in Belgium.

It was the highest death toll from a storm in Europe since
1999, when gales downed trees and driving snow brought
on avalanches, killing more than 120 in three days.

Climate researchers had been predicting stormy weather
this year for parts of Europe, saying that unusually high
temperatures in the North Atlantic, around 1 to 2 degrees
above normal _ would allow winds to accumulate more
moisture and surge in energy.

Researchers said that while no single storm could be linked
to rising temperatures, global warming could result in more
such tempestuous weather. Europe has been experiencing
an extremely warm winter and has already been hit by
several wind storms.

"In times of rapid climactic change, extreme events arise
more frequently," said Peter Werner of the Potsdam
Institute for Climate Research.
....
http://news.aol.com/topnews/articles...90001?cid=2359

'Global warming: the final verdict

A study by the world's leading experts says global warming will
happen faster and be more devastating than previously thought

Robin McKie, science editor
Sunday January 21, 2007
The Observer

Global warming is destined to have a far more destructive and
earlier impact than previously estimated, the most authoritative
report yet produced on climate change will warn next week.

A draft copy of the Fourth Assessment Report of the
Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, obtained by The
Observer, shows the frequency of devastating storms - like the
ones that battered Britain last week - will increase dramatically.
Sea levels will rise over the century by around half a metre;
snow will disappear from all but the highest mountains; deserts
will spread; oceans become acidic, leading to the destruction
of coral reefs and atolls; and deadly heatwaves will become
more prevalent.

The impact will be catastrophic, forcing hundreds of millions
of people to flee their devastated homelands, particularly in
tropical, low-lying areas, while creating waves of immigrants
whose movements will strain the economies of even the most
affluent countries.
........
'We are like alcoholics who have got as far as admitting there
is a problem. It is a start. Now we have got to start drying out
- which means reducing our carbon output.'

http://observer.guardian.co.uk/uk_ne...995348,00.html

'Livestock a major threat to environment
http://www.fao.org/newsroom/en/news/...448/index.html

'As stocks run out and harvests fail, the world faces its worst
crisis for 30 years
http://news.independent.co.uk/enviro...cle1325467.ece

"(o)(o)" wrote in message ...
On Fri, 19 Jan 2007 12:54:20 -0000, "Jim Webster"
wrote:


"pearl" wrote in message
...
..
I'm telling you and others who require more than your fair share
in the form of grain, land, water, energy for feed for livestock.

never mind pearl, I don't really care what you eat or do for a living,
if
it
embarasses you that much

Not at all. And all you needed to say was "I really don't care".



afraid to post under her real name

Protection from extremist bullies like you is a good idea.

That is correct.

ashamed of her job

Clueless. My job involves helping people regain good health.

Am J Clin Nutr 1999 Sep;70(3 Suppl):532S-538S
Associations between diet and cancer, ischemic heart disease,
and all-cause mortality in non-Hispanic white California
Seventh-day Adventists.
Fraser GE. Center for Health Research and the Department of
Epidemiology and Biostatistics, Loma Linda University, CA USA.

Results associating diet with chronic disease in a cohort of 34192
California Seventh-day Adventists are summarized. Most Seventh-
day Adventists do not smoke cigarettes or drink alcohol, and there
is a wide range of dietary exposures within the population. About
50% of those studied ate meat products 1 time/wk or not at all,
and vegetarians consumed more tomatoes, legumes, nuts, and fruit,
but less coffee, doughnuts, and eggs than did nonvegetarians.
Multivariate analyses showed significant associations between beef
consumption and fatal ischemic heart disease (IHD) in men [relative
risk (RR) = 2.31 for subjects who ate beef or =3 times/wk
compared with vegetarians], significant protective associations
between nut consumption and fatal and nonfatal IHD in both sexes
(RR approximately 0.5 for subjects who ate nuts or =5 times/wk
compared with those who ate nuts 1 time/wk), and reduced risk
of IHD in subjects preferring whole-grain to white bread. The
lifetime risk of IHD was reduced by approximately 31% in those
who consumed nuts frequently and by 37% in male vegetarians
compared with nonvegetarians. Cancers of the colon and prostate
were significantly more likely in nonvegetarians (RR of 1.88 and
1.54, respectively), and frequent beef consumers also had higher
risk of bladder cancer. Intake of legumes was negatively associated
with risk of colon cancer in nonvegetarians and risk of pancreatic
cancer. Higher consumption of all fruit or dried fruit was associated
with lower risks of lung, prostate, and pancreatic cancers. Cross-
sectional data suggest vegetarian Seventh-day Adventists have
lower risks of diabetes mellitus, hypertension, and arthritis than
nonvegetarians. Thus, among Seventh-day Adventists, vegetarians
are healthier than nonvegetarians but this cannot be ascribed only
to the absence of meat. - PMID: 10479227

It is jim who should feel ashamed. He's probably projecting.

At least she has one. Unlike you and your family of state benefit
ponces, brought up on handouts at the taxpayers expense!

embarassed by her diet

You're the one happy to abuse your diet, yourself and your family.
Look what it's done for you!

poor pearl

Jim Webster

Poor Jim Webster, forced to backtrack so many times, after discovering
bullies don't always win. Where shall we start next?

yawn
still trying to get the finger prints off your spade pete

Oops. Kill file stopped working again Dimbo?

lol. He announced that I was in the depths of his killfile last August.

another saddo who is too embarassed by his opinions to actually allow his
name to be known.

If you cant bully girls successfully, how on earth do you expect to
bully guys? I wonder if anyone foolish enough to know you is aware you
bully girls?

Wonder if those already doing time might mention a few names as proof of
good behaviour, just to get out early

Wouldn't help you and your bully boy friends, you are too yellow to
stand up for yourselves, that's what bullies do!

Back in the kilfile for you

Bit like everything in your imaginary world. It doesn't work!

Yep.

"pearl" wrote in message
...
"Jim Webster" wrote in message
...

"pearl" wrote in message
...
"Jim Webster" wrote in message
...

"pearl" wrote in message
...
"(o)(o)" wrote in message
...
..
That's our dimbo. He cares little for himself or his own family,
let
alone the global community.

That is clear, and he doesn't seem to realise that most people
reading
this do care about other human beings, if not biodiversity and
sustainability.

no, I'm posting for those intelligent enough to work out that the ones
who
matter are the Brazilians, Chinese and Indians,

That doesn't require any working out.

you are having trouble grasping it

No, you seem to be, but of course no one could be that stupid.

This is from my reply to the post you removed 3 Newsgroups
from, btw. You sorely need a better edjumacation, webster..

'The USSR was the largest grain importer in the world in the 1980s,
importing an average of 36 million tonnes per year, much of which
went to Russia (Figure 3). At the end of the 1980s the Russian
Federation was importing about 20 million tonnes of grain per year.
[3] After 1993, however, the Russian Federation drastically reduced
imports of grain. This is entirely reasonable, since feed demand for
grain had fallen due to the fall in livestock inventories. Meat imports,
particularly of poultry meat, increased rather dramatically in these
years (Figure 3). The rouble devaluation of 1998 caused a decrease
in meat imports. But healthy economic growth between 1999 and
2001 fuelled a growth in meat imports once again.

The main reasons for these revolutionary changes in Russian
agricultural production, use and trade lie in a change in the position
of the livestock sector in Russian agriculture in the Soviet period
and after. In the 1960s and 1970s, Krushchev and particularly
Brezhnev made the decision to improve the Soviet standard of
living primarily by increasing consumption of livestock products.
To increase meat production, the Brezhnev regime concentrated
on investing in "industrial" livestock production (Van Atta, 1993).
Demand for meat was ensured by keeping Soviet retail prices for
meat virtually constant from the mid-1960s to 1990. Increasing
livestock inventories also required increases in grain for feed.
Soviet grain production increases (predominantly in Russia and
Kazakhstan) of about 60 million tonnes per year from the early
1960s to the late 1970s was not sufficient to support the increase
in livestock inventories. For this reason, Soviet imports of grain
increased from near zero in 1970 to 36 million tonnes per year in
the 1980s (Shend, 1993).
..'
http://www.fao.org/docrep/007/y5069e/y5069e03.htm

pete and pearl and irrelevent

I do hope that you're enjoying the weather.

of course, as our house was built four or more centuries before planning
acts it is in a sensible place.
As opposed to where local government would want us to build

Yeah, they sure don't make things like they used to or should
( http://www.kintaline.co.uk/stormatjims.html ) , but at least
these days there's insurance to pick up the tab, and as long as
jim personally is ok, then surely that's all that matters (to jim).

'Europe Mops Up After Storm Kills 47
By DAVID RISING
AP

BERLIN (Jan. 19) - Europeans worked Friday to restore
services across the continent after hurricane-force winds
toppled trees, brought down power lines and damaged
buildings, killing at least 47 people and disrupting travel
for tens of thousands.
..
Hurricane-force winds and driving rain left 14 people dead
in Britain, 12 in Germany, six each in the Netherlands and
Poland, four in the Czech Republic, three in France and
two in Belgium.

It was the highest death toll from a storm in Europe since
1999, when gales downed trees and driving snow brought
on avalanches, killing more than 120 in three days.

Climate researchers had been predicting stormy weather
this year for parts of Europe, saying that unusually high
temperatures in the North Atlantic, around 1 to 2 degrees
above normal _ would allow winds to accumulate more
moisture and surge in energy.

Researchers said that while no single storm could be linked
to rising temperatures, global warming could result in more
such tempestuous weather. Europe has been experiencing
an extremely warm winter and has already been hit by
several wind storms.

"In times of rapid climactic change, extreme events arise
more frequently," said Peter Werner of the Potsdam
Institute for Climate Research.
...
http://news.aol.com/topnews/articles...90001?cid=2359

'Global warming: the final verdict

A study by the world's leading experts says global warming will
happen faster and be more devastating than previously thought

Robin McKie, science editor
Sunday January 21, 2007
The Observer

Global warming is destined to have a far more destructive and
earlier impact than previously estimated, the most authoritative
report yet produced on climate change will warn next week.

A draft copy of the Fourth Assessment Report of the
Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, obtained by The
Observer, shows the frequency of devastating storms - like the
ones that battered Britain last week - will increase dramatically.
Sea levels will rise over the century by around half a metre;
snow will disappear from all but the highest mountains; deserts
will spread; oceans become acidic, leading to the destruction
of coral reefs and atolls; and deadly heatwaves will become
more prevalent.

The impact will be catastrophic, forcing hundreds of millions
of people to flee their devastated homelands, particularly in
tropical, low-lying areas, while creating waves of immigrants
whose movements will strain the economies of even the most
affluent countries.
.......
'We are like alcoholics who have got as far as admitting there
is a problem. It is a start. Now we have got to start drying out
- which means reducing our carbon output.'

http://observer.guardian.co.uk/uk_ne...995348,00.html

'Livestock a major threat to environment
http://www.fao.org/newsroom/en/news/...448/index.html

'As stocks run out and harvests fail, the world faces its worst
crisis for 30 years
http://news.independent.co.uk/enviro...cle1325467.ece




Why the bloody hell don't you restrict the posting to the group you read it
in, stop crossposting all this rubbish

In article , pearl
wrote:
"Jim Webster" wrote in message news:51bs5nF1fub
...

"pearl" wrote in message
...

you are having trouble grasping it

No, you seem to be, but of course no one could be that stupid.

This is from my reply to the post you removed 3 Newsgroups
from, btw. You sorely need a better edjumacation, webster..

He removed the groups because none of them had shown any interest in your
meanderings. You are right in one thing however:

'The USSR was the largest grain importer in the world in the 1980s,
importing an average of 36 million tonnes per year, much of which

Jim has yet to learn that you are incapable of understanding -anything- with
a number in it, anything with a logical argument in it, and that although
everyone else is capable of scrolling upthread to review an argument you are
not.

Cheerio,

--


http://www.farm-direct.co.uk/

In article , pearl
wrote:

Clueless. My job involves helping people regain good health.

At which you are astonishingly effective. I have not been posting so much
lately as an accident which mashed my hand has made typing, er, interesting.
After the reminder that you consider yourself some sort of healer I find it
suddenly feels so much better that I shall not require a consultation.
There, a success, chalk that one up.

Cheerio,

--


http://www.farm-direct.co.uk/