Another very sobering note

On Wed, 29 Aug 2007 04:19:10 GMT, (Kiyu) wrote:

Start it off with "The sky is falling. The sky is falling. Woe is
us. We is doomed."
I'm sure they will appreciate the humor in it.

I believe enough already is over reacting. There are many things in
this world that we can not control - over-population is one of them.
I am very concerned, however, over didymo and its transference from
one stream to another. I don't believe there is much we can do about
it right now. Perhaps a solution can be found in the near future.

As far as my great great grandchildren..... well, their future will
certainly be different than ours today, just as it was for my great
great grandparents. My parents were born in 1900. Think of all the
changes they had to worry about, yet, here I am. Great great
grandchildren? They just might look back at us and laugh their asses
off about the crap we now worry about. The world will change; I have
no control over it.

Dave

On Wed, 29 Aug 2007 08:37:17 -0400, Dave LaCourse
wrote:

On Wed, 29 Aug 2007 04:19:10 GMT, (Kiyu) wrote:

Start it off with "The sky is falling. The sky is falling. Woe is
us. We is doomed."
I'm sure they will appreciate the humor in it.

I believe enough already is over reacting.
Really? And your response to the site is ridicule and your actions or
lack of them compound the problems addressed there, but you know that.
Of course there are things on the site which require a lot more of you
than you are willing to give but they make a lot of very good points.
At least try to open your mind to the thoughts of people who see
problems ahead for our children even if you can't.

There are many things in
this world that we can not control - over-population is one of them.
Horse **** Dave. China took an admittedly extreme step to control
population but they did act. More reasonable actions by nations can be
taken to address the problem but it is unlikely when the politicians
of so many countries, such as ours, just ignore the problem.
But it all starts with the individual and his attitude.

I am very concerned, however, over didymo and its transference from
one stream to another. I don't believe there is much we can do about
it right now. Perhaps a solution can be found in the near future.
I'm sure there will be one day but again, there are just too many of
us going from stream to stream. Education will help but I'm sure for
the streams up north recently infected with it you folks would much
rather have been educated about how to stop it rather than how it got
there. But would you have cried "The sky is falling." ?
It was happening to someone else and could never happen to you.
But now it has.
Now the problem of too many fishermen with too much mobility and too
little awareness has produced results which affect your streams in New
England. We as anglers will probably have to address those issues
ourselves before the fisheries folks find a cure.

As far as my great great grandchildren..... well, their future will
certainly be different than ours today, just as it was for my great
great grandparents. My parents were born in 1900. Think of all the
changes they had to worry about, yet, here I am.
Great argument Dave. I would have never thought of that.

Great great
grandchildren? They just might look back at us and laugh their asses
off about the crap we now worry about.
There is no doubt things will be different but you surely can't
believe your great great grandchildren will be laughing about what you
will be doing to them. Matter of fact why don't you put that little
nugget in your letter to them? It should be good for a chuckle.

The world will change; I have
no control over it.
Complete and absolute horse **** Dave, and that you know. A complete
wimp out. You do have control over it. There are positive things you
can do, even if the positive things are to not be negative.
You can change the world for the better if you so choose, admittedly
in small parts but it takes the actions of individuals to make the
collective effort amount to something that can be effective.

Write the letter Dave, as much for yourself as them. Or you can just
hide behind your tombstone so they will never know it was you who
screwed up their world.

Kiyu

On Wed, 29 Aug 2007 22:07:09 GMT, (Kiyu) wrote:

There are positive things you
can do, even if the positive things are to not be negative.
You can change the world for the better if you so choose, admittedly
in small parts but it takes the actions of individuals to make the
collective effort amount to something that can be effective.


You don't know me, Kiyu, so don't pretend to. I *have* helped change
the world for the better. I do a lot of things for my community on a
*daily* basis. Suffice it to say I volunteer many hours a week to my
community and the welfare of others as well as lot of money too. My
grandchildren know what I do and I am sure they will pass it on to
their children. You and your problems are the least of my worries.
The world has managed to get along just fine for the past 70 years,
and I am sure it will continue just fine for the next 70.

I have purchased a pair of Aquastealth boots - no felt soles, and have
spoken to every fisherman I see of the importance of keeping didymo
isolated from our pristine streams. I have a set of boots that will
only see the Rapid River. But regardless, didymo will come,
eventually. If not by felt soles, then by boats, or birds, or
animals. It could even spread by vandals who think it would be a big
joke. Probably of the same ilk that introduced smallmouth bass to the
tailwaters of the Rapid.

As far as a letter to my great, great grandchildren..... I'll let my
kids and their kids pass the word on about me, and even if they say
"He tried", that will be enough for me. If you wanna go on a guilt
trip, go ahead. But as for me, I *know* what I have given and
continue to give. I sleep well and I will die well. Sorry about
that.

Dave

"Dave LaCourse" wrote in message
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...the same ilk that introduced smallmouth bass to the
tailwaters of the Rapid.

THE SKY IS FALLING! THE SKY IS FALLING!

Moron.

Wolfgang

On Aug 30, 7:21 am, "Wolfgang" wrote:
THE SKY IS FALLING! THE SKY IS FALLING!

Moron.

We live in interesting times. It's starting to look like the sky
might indeed be falling. Sure, the jury is still out.
But at the very least, there is enough evidence out there now
to make you think about it. And wonder what comes next.

Also, from what I've seen, those who knee-jerk reject the various
global warming scenerios tend to do so for political reasons,
rather than analytical reasons.

"salmobytes" wrote in message
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On Aug 30, 7:21 am, "Wolfgang" wrote:
THE SKY IS FALLING! THE SKY IS FALLING!

Moron.

We live in interesting times.

True. But then, so has everyone else.

It's starting to look like the sky
might indeed be falling. Sure, the jury is still out.
But at the very least, there is enough evidence out there now
to make you think about it. And wonder what comes next.

To SOME it's starting to look like the sky might indeed be falling. The
rest of us heard it crash a long time ago.

Also, from what I've seen, those who knee-jerk reject the various
global warming scenerios tend to do so for political reasons,
rather than analytical reasons.

Maybe so. Still, there's no way humans will ever be able to put a sizeable
dent in the limitless flocks of the passenger pigeons that blot out the sun
for days at a time as they pass overhead; the bison roam the prairies in
countless numbers as they have always done and will always do; the great
Eastern forest will stand forever, immune to humankind's puny depredations;
and the cod will eternally form a carpet that a man can walk across with dry
feet, half-way across the Atlantic.

Wolfgang
who, nevertheless, can't quite shake the nagging feeling that there just
MUST be some bad news lurking out there somewhere.

On Wed, 29 Aug 2007 18:48:06 -0400, Dave LaCourse
wrote:

As far as a letter to my great, great grandchildren..... I'll let my
kids and their kids pass the word on about me, and even if they say
"He tried", that will be enough for me. If you wanna go on a guilt
trip, go ahead. But as for me, I *know* what I have given and
continue to give. I sleep well and I will die well. Sorry about
that.
The point of the letter was to get you to look at your actions, to
write them down and give them some thought. Do I really think you
don't care about your descendants? Of course not. But in a hundred
years, care or not, when they find their world unmanageable their most
likely question about this generation will be "What the **** were they
thinking?" followed by "Why didn't they do anything when they could?".
Nothing we do now relieves us from our responsibility to them.
The simplest thing we can do is merely discuss with our children and
grandchildren making responsible choices regarding family size and
quality of their lives. Carry that out several generations doing the
same and the results become dramatic. Will it solve the problem by
itself? Nope. Not unless others do the same but it will take things in
the right direction. Realistically it will require other things but
there is simple painless stuff that can be done now.
If we back the generation of a hundred years from now into a corner
because we do nothing now there is no telling what they might do with
few choices open to them.
Defend publicly it not being your problem all you like but I hope
privately you will give it consideration. It is an important issue.

Kiyu

On Thu, 30 Aug 2007 18:29:22 GMT, (Kiyu) wrote:

The point of the letter was to get you to look at your actions, to
write them down and give them some thought. Do I really think you
don't care about your descendants? Of course not. But in a hundred
years, care or not, when they find their world unmanageable their most
likely question about this generation will be "What the **** were they
thinking?" followed by "Why didn't they do anything when they could?".
Nothing we do now relieves us from our responsibility to them.
The simplest thing we can do is merely discuss with our children and
grandchildren making responsible choices regarding family size and
quality of their lives. Carry that out several generations doing the
same and the results become dramatic. Will it solve the problem by
itself? Nope. Not unless others do the same but it will take things in
the right direction. Realistically it will require other things but
there is simple painless stuff that can be done now.
If we back the generation of a hundred years from now into a corner
because we do nothing now there is no telling what they might do with
few choices open to them.
Defend publicly it not being your problem all you like but I hope
privately you will give it consideration. It is an important issue.

Kiyu, I know you are well meaning, but we all have our priorities.
Mine right now are for the elderly and the poor in my community. I
can not begin to explain to you how thin I have painted myself. I am
not bragging or anything else, just trying to get you to realize that
there are other very important things in my life and I do not have the
time or the strength to take on more at age 70.

I used to be able to fish a couple of days a week, but except for last
week's exploratory adventure, I haven't fished since mid-June. I have
one more week planned of fishing, a week alone with my wife. Then
it's back to work with little time for anything else except family. I
am sure the future generations will understand my plight and forgive
me.

Dave

On Thu, 30 Aug 2007 15:17:36 -0400, Dave LaCourse
wrote:


Kiyu, I know you are well meaning, but we all have our priorities.
Mine right now are for the elderly and the poor in my community. I
can not begin to explain to you how thin I have painted myself. I am
not bragging or anything else, just trying to get you to realize that
there are other very important things in my life and I do not have the
time or the strength to take on more at age 70.

I used to be able to fish a couple of days a week, but except for last
week's exploratory adventure, I haven't fished since mid-June. I have
one more week planned of fishing, a week alone with my wife. Then
it's back to work with little time for anything else except family. I
am sure the future generations will understand my plight and forgive
me.

I know what you mean. You seem to be charging ahead at a good pace
though despite a full dance card. I retired 6 years ago and now I'm so
damned busy I can barely keep up. It wasn't supposed to be that way.
My first fishing trip this year will be my annual trip to the
mountains in October with my son. That is mostly by choice as I
believe we need to love our streams more by loving them less, so I
limit my fishing. But this trip is less about fishing than it is
sitting across a campfire from my son on a damp, cool fall night,
sipping a bourbon, laughing, bsing and talking about all those things
which seem to go unsaid between father and son over the years. This is
our 18th season doing this trip and it only gets better.

As for the population thing if you don't believe in it forget it. I
really wasn't suggesting you or anyone else devote a great deal of
energy to it, just give some thought to family size and the world
around us. That can be done while shaving in the morning. It certainly
isn't a political issue as it is often cast as I first came into it
when I was so far to the right I nearly fell off the edge of the earth
and I didn't really intend to come out harshly as I don't usually talk
the talk but it is a huge issue, is getting worse and got my hackles
up..probably unnecessarily.
But I do try to walk the walk.
I sorted the whole thing out with the birth of my last child so since
then I've been presenting arguments to them for no/few children
(subtly and with effect hopefully). If the world population thing was
very disturbing then, its terrifying now. My children are 36 & 41 so
it is getting to crunch time for them. If they think very carefully
about their choices and the consequences for themselves and the rest
of the world it is all anyone could ask. It is their decision to make
and involves other people with differing views but they know how I
feel. Believe me having grandchildren would be great and I still might
one day get that "Hello Grand Dad" call. But I hope not.

However my son feels he has found the answer to the problem. He thinks
if every hot, horny 18 year old guy was required by law to baby sit a
friend's snotty, screaming, wild, out of control kids for just one
night the world population growth rate would no longer be a problem.
It sure scared the daylights out of him.
And it may just be that simple.G

Kiyu

On Fri, 31 Aug 2007 14:51:35 GMT, (Kiyu) wrote:

As for the population thing if you don't believe in it forget it.

d;o)

It's not that I don't believe in it, Kiyu, but 11 years after prostate
cancer and at age 70, I am shooting blanks. d;o)

Both of my sons-in-laws have had the "fix", so there will be no more
grandchildren (I have five -25, 24, 18, 6, 5 - from two daughters.)