Fishing for stocked fish.

On 16-Sep-2007, Mike wrote:


You may of course, like many "anglers", simply stick your head in the
sand, ( or as in the case of Kenny Boy, perpetual performing ****er of
this parish, up your arse), it is however certain that the known
problems, and possibly quite a few unknown ones will catch up with you
before long, and will also be visited upon your children. You are
actively aiding and abetting environmental destruction on a large
scale, for no other reason than convenient personal gratification.


Oh and Kenny Boy, before you start your usual nonsense, since you are
far too ignorant and stupid to refute or even discuss any of this
sensibly, I would suggest you go and jerk off somewhere else.

TL
MC

Again - in the beginning of this post you made a good point
Why did you have to add this lunatic crap at the end?

Fred

On 16 Sep, 19:09, wrote:
On 16-Sep-2007, Mike wrote:

You may of course, like many "anglers", simply stick your head in the
sand, ( or as in the case of Kenny Boy, perpetual performing ****er of
this parish, up your arse), it is however certain that the known
problems, and possibly quite a few unknown ones will catch up with you
before long, and will also be visited upon your children. You are
actively aiding and abetting environmental destruction on a large
scale, for no other reason than convenient personal gratification.
Oh and Kenny Boy, before you start your usual nonsense, since you are
far too ignorant and stupid to refute or even discuss any of this
sensibly, I would suggest you go and jerk off somewhere else.

TL
MC

Again - in the beginning of this post you made a good point
Why did you have to add this lunatic crap at the end?

Fred

Well Fred, I don´t know anything much about Japan, except what I can
read on the web, and I have not even read much of that. I try to
address the problems in my own neighbourhood, although this can only
be in a relatively small way. Acquiring specific information on some
of these things is also becoming increasingly difficult, as a number
of the extremely large industrial concerns, which operate globally,
actively conceal all sorts of things, because they don´t want people
to know the extent of their control, and the massive damage they are
causing for profit.

Many anglers are simply unaware of the facts, and there are also a
number who refuse to believe them, as well as a few who know them, and
continue anyway, because they put their own doubtful "enjoyment" above
any other considerations.

Which brings us back to the "lunatic crap" you mention. Fortenberry
is a problem. Not only because he is a pschopathic arsehole, who gets
his kicks by damaging others, but because his behaviour also
effectively suppresses information and common sense. Quite apart form
the fact that his behaviour generally prevents the free interchange of
information here, and severely affects the enjoyment of many.

Why you think I should address one severe problem, ( indeed a whole
complex of problems), in an orderly, sensible, logical and informed
fashion, and at the same time fail to address another problem which
has caused myself and others considerable grief, is rather odd don´t
you think?

Why do you think he should be allowed to continue abusing and
insulting people, or posting a load of propaganda against me, and
others, but that I should not be allowed to retaliate?

I really would like to know.

TL
MC

On 16-Sep-2007, Mike wrote:

Why do you think he should be allowed to continue abusing and
insulting people, or posting a load of propaganda against me, and
others, but that I should not be allowed to retaliate?

I really would like to know.

Mike

You are never going to stop him
Everytime you engage in diatribes against ea other you both look like fools
and it accomplishes nothing
In fact it detracts from your someimes informational and useful posts
Ignore him!
What else can you do?


Acquiring specific information on some
of these things is also becoming increasingly difficult, as a number
of the extremely large industrial concerns, which operate globally,
actively conceal all sorts of things, because they don´t want people
to know the extent of their control, and the massive damage they are
causing for profit.

I am disgusted and ****ing outraged with what people and corporaions do to
this planet
Esp in that the US is the largest single violator of world polution
standards
I am ****ing outraged by the wars that we perpetuate in the name of liberty
, frredom and the AAmerican way
while all they are is methiods for the wealth to exploit the poor - Jus
another facet of American - world imperialism

Bush, Cheney and their posse are only figurehgeads but thry are guilty of
the most heinous war crimes and environmental damage.
All for the ****ing dollar.

What can I do ?
- not much
It is enough io drive one nuts!
But I do not to let that happen

All I can do is open my BIG moth in outrage on these boards and a few other
places- react with my vote - but as the optioons are asinine so all that I
can really do
Is to mke sure that my own personal environment - family included- is a s
clean and as nurturing as possible.
We luckily have a lot of land
Throwing a cigarette butt or a beer can on the ground or other kinds of
detritus is specifiaclly banned from my property - One could get capped
I make sure that my duaghter - her family and grandchildren respect the
enviromnement as much as possible

There are a LOT of toxic assholes on this planet - way too ****ing many
I have unfortunately had occasion to throw people off of my land I suspect
that there will be quite a few more in the years to come.

I do not mean to say here that Fortenberry is one of the toxix ones
I like him in some ways
But if he drives you nuts-

Forgert and ignore Fortenberry!
That kind of venom and hate detracts from you

Use it in more positive ways.
My 2 cents
Fred

On 16 Sep, 20:12, wrote:

Use it in more positive ways.
My 2 cents
Fred

Sounds quite sensible Fred, but asking "what can I do", is not a
sensible substitute for actually doing something. It requires very
considerable patience and fortitude to do some things at all. For
many years I have been involved in the rearing, stocking, and release
of sea-trout for instance, only to see vast numbers of them caught on
the high seas by drift netters, or ambushed at river mouths, the size
of the few returnees steadily and constantly decreasing as their
ocean food chain is destroyed, among many other things to produce
artificial sterile monstrosities for other "anglers" But still I
continue, as do others, even though many of us think it is mainly a
rearguard action eventually doomed to failure. It "might" work, if
enough people come to their senses and actually do something. But if
nobody does anything at all then the chances dwindle to less than
zero.

One requires reliable information in order to achieve anything at all,
and one must ACT upon it. Even in a small way.

Fortenberry does not "drive me nuts" as you put it, he is just a major
nuisance in this environment. He prevents it working as it should,
for the free interchange of information. he never disagrees with
anybody about anything on the basis of fact, he just says something or
other must be so because he says it is. All you have to do to see
that, is to read his posts. He launches personal attacks and
propaganda campaigns. Most people give up and let him get away with
it, or decide to ignore him. I am just not the type to give up, either
with sea-trout or Fortenberries.

You can see the same effect creeping in with others. Look at Lacourses
reply to my post on Triploid fish. He doesn´t know anythingat all
about it, and he doesn´t want to. The selfish ******* couldn´t care
less as long as he can use his money to get what he wants in his
lifetime. He doesn´t care whether you or anybody can fish, or even if
there are any fish, except where he wants to catch them on his terms.

There is not only point in accepting such, it is a major part of the
problem.

Now I am sure you mean well with your advice, and even think it is
good advice, as do many others. But it is not good advice. It is
sticking one´s head in the sand, and no good will ever come of it.

TL
MC

"Mike" wrote in message
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On 16 Sep, 20:12, wrote:

Use it in more positive ways.
My 2 cents
Fred

Sounds quite sensible Fred, but asking "what can I do", is not a
sensible substitute for actually doing something. It requires very
considerable patience and fortitude to do some things at all. For
many years I have been involved in the rearing, stocking, and release
of sea-trout for instance, only to see vast numbers of them caught on
the high seas by drift netters, or ambushed at river mouths, the size
of the few returnees steadily and constantly decreasing as their
ocean food chain is destroyed, among many other things to produce
artificial sterile monstrosities for other "anglers" But still I
continue, as do others, even though many of us think it is mainly a
rearguard action eventually doomed to failure. It "might" work, if
enough people come to their senses and actually do something. But if
nobody does anything at all then the chances dwindle to less than
zero.

One requires reliable information in order to achieve anything at all,
and one must ACT upon it. Even in a small way.

Fortenberry does not "drive me nuts" as you put it, he is just a major
nuisance in this environment. He prevents it working as it should,
for the free interchange of information. he never disagrees with
anybody about anything on the basis of fact, he just says something or
other must be so because he says it is. All you have to do to see
that, is to read his posts. He launches personal attacks and
propaganda campaigns. Most people give up and let him get away with
it, or decide to ignore him. I am just not the type to give up, either
with sea-trout or Fortenberries.

You can see the same effect creeping in with others. Look at Lacourses
reply to my post on Triploid fish. He doesn´t know anythingat all
about it, and he doesn´t want to. The selfish ******* couldn´t care
less as long as he can use his money to get what he wants in his
lifetime. He doesn´t care whether you or anybody can fish, or even if
there are any fish, except where he wants to catch them on his terms.

There is not only point in accepting such, it is a major part of the
problem.

Now I am sure you mean well with your advice, and even think it is
good advice, as do many others. But it is not good advice. It is
sticking one´s head in the sand, and no good will ever come of it.

TL
MC


Yeah...I can see how Fortenberry and the high seas have a lot in
common.....but, it took a twelve step group!

snicker snicker....

john

Fred, why don't you find a more appropriate forum for your rantings - like
the outhouse or latrine I'm sure you have on your pristine property.


Hello ,

On 16-Sep-2007, Mike wrote:

Why do you think he should be allowed to continue abusing and
insulting people, or posting a load of propaganda against me, and
others, but that I should not be allowed to retaliate?

I really would like to know.

Mike

You are never going to stop him
Everytime you engage in diatribes against ea other you both look like
fools
and it accomplishes nothing
In fact it detracts from your someimes informational and useful posts
Ignore him!
What else can you do?
Acquiring specific information on some
of these things is also becoming increasingly difficult, as a number
of the extremely large industrial concerns, which operate globally,
actively conceal all sorts of things, because they don´t want people
to know the extent of their control, and the massive damage they are
causing for profit.
I am disgusted and ****ing outraged with what people and corporaions
do to
this planet
Esp in that the US is the largest single violator of world polution
standards
I am ****ing outraged by the wars that we perpetuate in the name of
liberty
, frredom and the AAmerican way
while all they are is methiods for the wealth to exploit the poor -
Jus
another facet of American - world imperialism
Bush, Cheney and their posse are only figurehgeads but thry are
guilty of
the most heinous war crimes and environmental damage.
All for the ****ing dollar.
What can I do ?
- not much
It is enough io drive one nuts!
But I do not to let that happen
All I can do is open my BIG moth in outrage on these boards and a few
other
places- react with my vote - but as the optioons are asinine so all
that I
can really do
Is to mke sure that my own personal environment - family included- is
a s
clean and as nurturing as possible.
We luckily have a lot of land
Throwing a cigarette butt or a beer can on the ground or other kinds
of
detritus is specifiaclly banned from my property - One could get
capped
I make sure that my duaghter - her family and grandchildren respect
the
enviromnement as much as possible
There are a LOT of toxic assholes on this planet - way too ****ing
many
I have unfortunately had occasion to throw people off of my land I
suspect
that there will be quite a few more in the years to come.
I do not mean to say here that Fortenberry is one of the toxix ones
I like him in some ways
But if he drives you nuts-
Forgert and ignore Fortenberry!
That kind of venom and hate detracts from you
Use it in more positive ways.
My 2 cents
Fred

On 16-Sep-2007, Jim Edmondson wrote:

Fred, why don't you find a more appropriate forum for your rantings - like

the outhouse or latrine I'm sure you have on your pristine property.


Hello

**** off ****bird!

If youdont like my rants too ****ing bad Scumbag!

gee fred that doesn't sound very nurturing

with such eloquence, you really should consider sticking your head up your
....


On 16-Sep-2007, Jim Edmondson wrote:

Fred, why don't you find a more appropriate forum for your rantings -
like

the outhouse or latrine I'm sure you have on your pristine property.

Hello

**** off ****bird!

If youdont like my rants too ****ing bad Scumbag!

I dont debate the Iraq war anymore
Like Vietnam
If you are not against it you are for it and **** you - At this point in
time there is no more debate

If you don't like my political opinions which are part of my world view then
all that I can do wirth a ****ing
clueless jerk like you is

I think that whats going on in the environment caused by clueless fools like
you that do nothing
is quite releveant to fishing today -As there will not be many resources
left tomorrow
Because fools like yo do not want to hear about nor act on it

Here is an eloquent statement that a mindless fool like you can understand-
**** off Jack!
Shihead!

Plonk

wrote in message
...

On 16-Sep-2007, Mike wrote:

I am disgusted and ****ing outraged with what people and corporaions do to
this planet
Esp in that the US is the largest single violator of world polution
standards
I am ****ing outraged by the wars that we perpetuate in the name of
liberty
, frredom and the AAmerican way
while all they are is methiods for the wealth to exploit the poor - Jus
another facet of American - world imperialism

Bush, Cheney and their posse are only figurehgeads but thry are guilty of
the most heinous war crimes and environmental damage.
All for the ****ing dollar.

What can I do ?
- not much
Use it in more positive ways.
My 2 cents
Fred

DemoRAT?? ;-)

Rick