Cutting the taper off DT line?

On Nov 26, 1:47 pm, "Tom Nakashima" wrote:
"BJ Conner" wrote in message

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On Nov 26, 1:13 pm, "Tom Nakashima" wrote:
"rw" wrote in message

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Tom Nakashima wrote:
I read an article over the holidays about a technique of cutting the
taper of a double taper line when nymph fishing. The reasons were to
have
better line management control, and the ability to throw large
weighted
flies with ease, plus a nice drift. The article stated that since
dry-fly
presentation wasn't a concern, the taper was useless.

I've never even considered cutting the taper off a line, and wondering
if
anyone has done that when nymphing?
-tom

There might be something to it.

Level lines used to be common years ago, mainly, I thought, because
they
were cheap. More expensive tapered lines were easier to cast. Maybe you
can manage the line better with a level line. It's possible, but it's
been
so long since I've used one that I have no clue.

I don't buy the throwing "large weighted flies with ease" argument.

If you give it a try I'd be interested to know it comes out.

--
Cut "to the chase" for my email address.

Actually I do have a DT line that needs to be reversed, thought
about cutting the taper off the one side and experimenting.

The article is drifting for steelhead in rivers.
For chucking large weighted flies, the anglers makes his own
leaders and starts with a 30" piece of 40 lb test butt section, jointed
with
the now taperless line by nailknot. He then adds a 12" piece of 20 lb.
connected with a double uni-knot. Then bloodknots on his long 10 lb.
tippet/tippets depending on the fly or flies used, and adds splits
accordingly.

Said chucking large heavy flies is a lot easier as well as putting in
a cast mend.

It's an interesting technique, and something I would like to experiment
with.
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For large weighted fly take the 40 lb mono back to the center of the
reel spool. Sooner or later your not really fly fishing.

So where do you draw the line?
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Don't know.
I have fished with 12' "spinning tapers" that was technically fly
fishing. In reality it was in between. In parctice the 12 ft of
flyline wasn't much different than a lead weight. The trick was to
hold the coils mono just right to keep from cutting your finger.

On Nov 26, 2:10 pm, "Tom Nakashima" wrote:
"Wayne Knight" wrote in message

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On Nov 26, 4:31 pm, "Tom Nakashima" wrote:
"Wayne Knight" wrote in message

It sounds like cutting the taper off a DT line would make it act as a
level
line. Now wondering if Gary Borger thought it was a stupid thing when he
wrote about it in his "Nymphing" book on the section of casting heavy
weighted flies?

Just because Mr. Borger wrote instead of Mr. Me, does not mean it's
not a stupid thing to do. Unless of course one is in the industry and
his inventory of DT fly lines needs to be reduced. Its' not a new
idea, both Steve and I mentioned level taper fly lines.

So what's a level taper fly line?
-tom

a 5-5-5 or a 8-8-8 or ???

"Tom Nakashima" wrote in message
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"BJ Conner" wrote in message
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For large weighted fly take the 40 lb mono back to the center of the
reel spool. Sooner or later your not really fly fishing.

So where do you draw the line?
-tom
Except for those cases where the term is defined in the local fishing
regulations, where to draw the line for the definition of "fly fishing" is
pretty much a matter of personal preference. However, the term "fly casting"
is fairly universally restricted to a method where it is the line that is
actually cast, and the fly is simply along for the ride. Thus, under that
definition, when one is lobbing a heavily weighted fly (or combinations of a
fly and weights) and the line simply follows the terminal tackle, one is no
longer "fly casting".

Bob Weinberger

On Mon, 26 Nov 2007 14:10:11 -0800, "Tom Nakashima"
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"Wayne Knight" wrote in message
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On Nov 26, 4:31 pm, "Tom Nakashima" wrote:
"Wayne Knight" wrote in message

It sounds like cutting the taper off a DT line would make it act as a
level
line. Now wondering if Gary Borger thought it was a stupid thing when he
wrote about it in his "Nymphing" book on the section of casting heavy
weighted flies?

Just because Mr. Borger wrote instead of Mr. Me, does not mean it's
not a stupid thing to do. Unless of course one is in the industry and
his inventory of DT fly lines needs to be reduced. Its' not a new
idea, both Steve and I mentioned level taper fly lines.

So what's a level taper fly line?
-tom

ahahahaha!
yeah, that's pretty awkward, "taper" in that phrase is superfluous.
I think "level line" would do it...

/daytripper (not paid by the word)

Tom Nakashima wrote:ioned level taper fly lines.

So what's a level taper fly line?

An oxymoron.

A level fly line is one without a taper. I think you have to be
of a certain age (or limited now to a very strict budget) to have
actually fished one. Last tine I saw one for sale was a couple
of years ago in Wal-Mart.

JR

Wayne Knight wrote:
Just because someone does a stupid thing and then gets it published in
an article does not make it a "right" thing. The taper exists for a
reason

Yes, it helps to better and more delicately turn over and lay
down a leader and fly. If you're not fishing a fly, though, but
rather chucking and ducking a lure masquerading as a fly (g), a
level line would do as well (or at least no less well).

and many a fly fishermen gets good line management and tosses
large flies when nymphing.

True, but they don't *need* the taper and could do exactly the
same without it. Of course, as long as you already *have* a
tapered line (DT or WF), there's no point in using a separate
level line just because the taper, in a given situation, serves
no useful function.

- JR

"Tom Nakashima" wrote in message
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The article is drifting for steelhead in rivers.
For chucking large weighted flies, the anglers makes his own
leaders and starts with a 30" piece of 40 lb test butt section, jointed
with the now taperless line by nailknot. He then adds a 12" piece of 20
lb. connected with a double uni-knot. Then bloodknots on his long 10 lb.
tippet/tippets depending on the fly or flies used, and adds splits
accordingly.

Said chucking large heavy flies is a lot easier as well as putting in
a cast mend.

It's an interesting technique, and something I would like to experiment

In my own WTF way, that's what I referenced with Great Lakes Steelheading.
Only people don't remove the taper on the fly line they typically use a
level (no taper- my bad) or running line and it's probably why the author
mentioned a DT. One could cut the taper off the front of the WF line and
achieve the same effect as long as he/she didn't cast much over 30' of line
and the really thin running line would come into play. Cortland among others
still offers at least one level line.

Technically it may be fly fishing but IMO you're no longer dependent upon
the line to deliver the fly but one is using the weight of the shot and the
fly to propel the fly to the target like one would with a spinning reel.
Without having to fight the properties of the tapered fly line the delivery
of the hardware is easier. In the great lakes tribs many people make
"slinkys" which are just bags of leaded shot. The things are a PITA to cast,
if that's the term one wants to use, with a normal fly line

"Tom Nakashima" wrote in message
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It sounds like cutting the taper off a DT line would make it act as a
level line. Now wondering if Gary Borger thought it was a stupid thing
when he wrote about it in his "Nymphing" book on the section of casting
heavy weighted flies?

It's not important if Mr. Borger thinks it was a stupid thing. He's trying
to sell a book and he has managed to make a living selling himself as an
expert fly fisherman. I wish I had half of his technical fishing ability but
like everything else it's up to the reader to determine if his suggestion
fits their situation. It's not a new technique and I didn't particularly
care for this book but that's why they make menus. Besides, he probably gets
free or significantly discounted fly lines. I have to buy mine and I'll be
damned if I'm going to cut a perfectly good DT line when suitable and less
expensive running lines are available.

I used to get to share time with Bruce Richards of Scientific Anglers and
some "special" fly lines once a year, the man has a mean streak when it
comes to playing with fly line tapers for "charitable purposes" and he's the
one who first mentioned cutting the tapered portion of a fly line to me for
specialized shooting heads. So if by chance Mr. Borger thought he was
writing up some new technique, then he is mistaken.

On Mon, 26 Nov 2007 19:54:29 -0500, "Wayne Knight"
wrote:

"Tom Nakashima" wrote in message
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The article is drifting for steelhead in rivers.
For chucking large weighted flies, the anglers makes his own
leaders and starts with a 30" piece of 40 lb test butt section, jointed
with the now taperless line by nailknot. He then adds a 12" piece of 20
lb. connected with a double uni-knot. Then bloodknots on his long 10 lb.
tippet/tippets depending on the fly or flies used, and adds splits
accordingly.

Said chucking large heavy flies is a lot easier as well as putting in
a cast mend.

It's an interesting technique, and something I would like to experiment

In my own WTF way

Hmmm....."Weight Taper Forward"?

/daytripper (;-)

"Tom Nakashima"

snip.

Actually I do have a DT line that needs to be reversed, thought
about cutting the taper off the one side and experimenting.


-tom

there you go.....

john