Scouts fly tying classes - Chosing the pattern

On Nov 28, 3:27 pm, Mike wrote:
For complete beginners, I think a woolly
bugger is too complicated, and introduces too many techniques at once.

I still remember being a newbie, and the wooly bugger definitely had a
great "gee whiz"-to-difficulty ratio. It's only three materials, so
you learn to tie stuff in order as well as three simple techniques;
and it's a pretty cool result that even a bad one can catch fish.
It's the kind of fly that will give you the confidence that maybe you
*can* get the hang of this fly tying stuff. I don't know about kids
at scouting age; but as an adult newbie, I thought it was an easy
first fly.

Joe F.

On 28 Nov, 22:05, rb608 wrote:

I don't know about kids
at scouting age; but as an adult newbie, I thought it was an easy
first fly.

Joe F.

This is often cited as a good beginner fly, but in my experience it
most definitely is not.

There are a lot more than three techniques involved.

Start the thread, wind the thread evenly to the tie-in point, tie the
ribbing in properly, tie the tail in, pinch and loop, strip the
chenille to the core, tie it in, wind it on, changing hands,
( assuming non-rotary), using hackle pliers, tying hackle in,
palmering hackle, ribbing hackle, whip finishing.

This also ignores the material preparation, selecting hackle,
stripping fluff from base, and the various reasons for doing some
things in a certain way.

TL
MC

Oh, and it is five materials! Thread, ribbing wire, marabou tail,
chenille body, hackle.

A simple hackle pattern only has two.

Second lesson, hackle pattern with a rib

Third lesson, hackled with tail and rib

Fourth lesson, tail, rib, and palmered hackle.

Things like using wire, tensioning materials and thread also have to
be learned before one can tie an even half way presentable Woolly
Bugger. Whip finishing and other things too.

The main problem for newbies is working on such a small scale, and
coordinating hand and eye. This is best learned in small cumulative
steps. Trying to do it all at once is doomed to failure, and causes
disappointment and frustration.

TL
MC

This is the first lesson I give. The pupils tie at least half a dozen
flies.

http://www.mike-connor.homepage.t-on...st_spider.html

TL
MC

"Mike" wrote in message
...
Oh, and it is five materials! Thread, ribbing wire, marabou tail,
chenille body, hackle.

A simple hackle pattern only has two.

Second lesson, hackle pattern with a rib

Third lesson, hackled with tail and rib

Fourth lesson, tail, rib, and palmered hackle.

Things like using wire, tensioning materials and thread also have to
be learned before one can tie an even half way presentable Woolly
Bugger. Whip finishing and other things too.

The main problem for newbies is working on such a small scale, and
coordinating hand and eye. This is best learned in small cumulative
steps. Trying to do it all at once is doomed to failure, and causes
disappointment and frustration.

Parturient montes, nascetur ridiculus mus.


Wolfgang

On 28 Nov, 22:55, "Wolfgang" wrote:

Parturient montes, nascetur ridiculus mus.

Wolfgang

Mice are even more ridiculously difficult than Woolly buggers, and
present mountainous problems before they are finally brought forth.

TL
MC

On 28 Nov, 22:55, "Wolfgang" wrote:


Parturient montes, nascetur ridiculus mus.

Wolfgang

"...neque porro quisquam est, qui dolorem ipsum quia dolor sit amet,
consectetur, adipisci velit, sed quia non numquam eius modi tempora
incidunt ut labore et dolore magnam aliquam quaerat voluptatem. Ut
enim ad minima veniam, quis nostrum exercitationem ullam corporis
suscipit laboriosam, nisi ut aliquid ex ea commodi consequatur? Quis
autem vel eum iure reprehenderit qui in ea voluptate velit esse quam
nihil molestiae consequatur, vel illum qui dolorem eum fugiat quo
voluptas nulla pariatur?"

Cicero

TL
MC

Mike wrote:
On 28 Nov, 22:55, "Wolfgang" wrote:


Parturient montes, nascetur ridiculus mus.

Wolfgang


"...neque porro quisquam est, qui dolorem ipsum quia dolor sit amet,
consectetur, adipisci velit, sed quia non numquam eius modi tempora
incidunt ut labore et dolore magnam aliquam quaerat voluptatem. Ut
enim ad minima veniam, quis nostrum exercitationem ullam corporis
suscipit laboriosam, nisi ut aliquid ex ea commodi consequatur? Quis
autem vel eum iure reprehenderit qui in ea voluptate velit esse quam
nihil molestiae consequatur, vel illum qui dolorem eum fugiat quo
voluptas nulla pariatur?"

Cicero

TL
MC

Good for you for properly putting it in quotes. Wolfgang is a serial
plagerer, this time lifting a quote from Horace.

--
Cut "to the chase" for my email address.

rw wrote:

Wolfgang is a serial
plagerer, this time lifting a quote from Horace.


....and a plagiarist?

TL
MC

"rw" wrote in message
...
Mike wrote:
On 28 Nov, 22:55, "Wolfgang" wrote:


Parturient montes, nascetur ridiculus mus.

Wolfgang


"...neque porro quisquam est, qui dolorem ipsum quia dolor sit amet,
consectetur, adipisci velit, sed quia non numquam eius modi tempora
incidunt ut labore et dolore magnam aliquam quaerat voluptatem. Ut
enim ad minima veniam, quis nostrum exercitationem ullam corporis
suscipit laboriosam, nisi ut aliquid ex ea commodi consequatur? Quis
autem vel eum iure reprehenderit qui in ea voluptate velit esse quam
nihil molestiae consequatur, vel illum qui dolorem eum fugiat quo
voluptas nulla pariatur?"

Cicero

TL
MC

Good for you for properly putting it in quotes. Wolfgang is a serial
plagerer, this time lifting a quote from Horace.

"Personally," "I" "think" "Wittgenstein" "had" "the" "right" "idea."

"You" "don't" "learn."

"Moron"

"Wolfgang"