waterboarding

On Sat, 29 Dec 2007 14:08:59 GMT, "rb608"
wrote:

Torture is one of those crimes that simply cannot be excused.

I agree. Our troops in just about every war have suffered torture to
some extent, whether it be beatings, food/water deprivation, or
physical harm.

There can be
no double standard.

There is no double standard. They practice REAL torture. Ask John
McCain.

If we can do it to them, they can do it to us.

Count on it, my friend, up to and including beheading. That is a
given. If only they used *just* waterboarding.

If we
can do it to save our children, they can do it to our children with the same
moral authority.

Again, if only if was "just" waterboarding. They torture for the pure
pleasure of it. If I was a POW, I would pray that only waterboarding
was used.

I cannot excuse or condone that.

Psychological "torture" is common. Sleep deprivation. Constand loud
music/sounds. Waterboarding is psychological. There is NO physical
harm. And, it is affective. If it saves lives (and it has regardless
what you say), then I am for it.

eopcfm

Dave

"Dave LaCourse" wrote in message
Psychological "torture" is common. Sleep deprivation. Constand loud
music/sounds.

Hey, there's no need to bring my family into this. ;-)

Joe F.

Dave LaCourse wrote:

There is no double standard. They practice REAL torture. Ask John
McCain.

Ask John McCain how he feels about waterboarding. He's the only one of
the pathetic bunch of Republican candidates who has the guts to call it
for what it is.

If waterboarding isn't torture why did the US prosecute and convict a
Japanese officer of war crimes for doing it?

Now we know who in ROFF is in favor of torture and who is against it. No
surprises.

Why did the CIA destroy the tapes?

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Cut "to the chase" for my email address.

"rw" wrote in message
Why did the CIA destroy the tapes?

I'm confused. I thought the NFL destroyed the tapes?

Joe F.

rb608 wrote:
"rw" wrote in message

Why did the CIA destroy the tapes?


I'm confused. I thought the NFL destroyed the tapes?

Joe F.



Wrong tapes.

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On Sat, 29 Dec 2007 15:12:57 GMT, "rb608"
wrote:

"rw" wrote in message
Why did the CIA destroy the tapes?

I'm confused. I thought the NFL destroyed the tapes?

Because they showed ASU (no, the other one) waterboarding
Patriots...come on, man, pay attention...

HTH,
R

Joe F.

On Sat, 29 Dec 2007 06:53:59 -0800, rw
wrote:

Dave LaCourse wrote:

There is no double standard. They practice REAL torture. Ask John
McCain.

Ask John McCain how he feels about waterboarding. He's the only one of
the pathetic bunch of Republican candidates who has the guts to call it
for what it is.

If waterboarding isn't torture why did the US prosecute and convict a
Japanese officer of war crimes for doing it?

The US didn't prosecute him (solely, if at all) for "waterboarding,"
they prosecuted him for a number of types of torture, including "water
torture" (that probably _included_ but was not limited to
waterboarding), burning, beating, etc. of POWs and civilians, including
children (done solely for amusement) as well as stealing Red Cross
packages intended for POWs. And they didn't hang him, he was sentenced
to 10-20 years at hard labor.

Now we know who in ROFF is in favor of torture and who is against it. No
surprises.

I seriously any group of "we" that includes "you" knows much about much
in the real world outside of a sheltered academic environ...

And there "we" are,
R

Why did the CIA destroy the tapes?

wrote in message
...
On Sat, 29 Dec 2007 06:53:59 -0800, rw
wrote:

Dave LaCourse wrote:

There is no double standard. They practice REAL torture. Ask John
McCain.

Ask John McCain how he feels about waterboarding. He's the only one of
the pathetic bunch of Republican candidates who has the guts to call it
for what it is.

If waterboarding isn't torture why did the US prosecute and convict a
Japanese officer of war crimes for doing it?

The US didn't prosecute him (solely, if at all) for "waterboarding,"
they prosecuted him for a number of types of torture, including "water
torture" (that probably _included_ but was not limited to
waterboarding), burning, beating, etc. of POWs and civilians, including
children (done solely for amusement) as well as stealing Red Cross
packages intended for POWs. And they didn't hang him, he was sentenced
to 10-20 years at hard labor.

Now we know who in ROFF is in favor of torture and who is against it. No
surprises.

I seriously any group of "we" that includes "you" knows much about much
in the real world outside of a sheltered academic environ...

Fortunately, we have you to explain the real world to us.

And there "we" are,

Yeah.

Wolfgang

On Sat, 29 Dec 2007 09:21:48 -0500, Dave LaCourse
wrote:


Psychological "torture" is common. Sleep deprivation. Constand loud
music/sounds. Waterboarding is psychological. There is NO physical
harm. And, it is affective.

Um, "affective?" That's interesting...even Freudian...

HTH,
R
....and it's effective, too...


If it saves lives (and it has regardless
what you say), then I am for it.

eopcfm

Dave

wrote:

...and it's effective, too...

Yeah? How do you know?