waterboarding

"BJ Conner" wrote in message
Torture gets you answers but it usually get you the truth. With just
the equipment carried by the average fly-fisherman I'll bet you could
be made to confess to giving MC a blow job and enjoying it so much
that you want to do it again.

You made a statement and disproved your own premise in only two sentences.
Beautifully done.

Joe F.

"rb608" wrote in message
news:S7zdj.544$yv5.147@trndny07...
"BJ Conner" wrote in message
Torture gets you answers but it usually get you the truth. With just
the equipment carried by the average fly-fisherman I'll bet you could
be made to confess to giving MC a blow job and enjoying it so much
that you want to do it again.

You made a statement and disproved your own premise in only two sentences.
Beautifully done.

Joe F.

I couldn't make heads nor tails of what BC wrote. My hat is off to you sir!

Op

On Sat, 29 Dec 2007 16:44:03 -0500, "Opus--Mark H. Bowen"
wrote:

I couldn't make heads nor tails of what BC wrote.

That's because he is drunk --- again.

On Dec 29, 2:45*pm, Dave LaCourse wrote:
On Sat, 29 Dec 2007 16:44:03 -0500, "Opus--Mark H. Bowen"

wrote:
I couldn't make heads nor tails of what BC wrote.

That's because he is drunk *--- again.

But tomorrow I'll be sober, you will still be stupid and ugly.

Somewhere I think waterboarding fits into this somewhere in what is
written below....

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Were people from all over the world, mostly Americans, not brutally
murdered that day, in downtown office buildings in ?xml:namespace
prefix = st1 ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com[image:
http://www.njflyfishing.com/vBulletin/ /st1:City
w:st=]Manhattan/st1:City , and across the Potomac from our nation's
capitol and in a field in Pennsylvania???

Did nearly three thousand men, women and children die a horrible,
burning or crushing death that day, or didn't they?

And I'm supposed to care that a copy of the Koran was "desecrated" when
an overworked American soldier kicked it or got it wet?... Well, I
don't. I don't care at all .

I'll start caring when Osama bin Laden turns himself in and repents for
incinerating all those innocent people on 9/11.

I'll care about the Koran when the fanatics in the Middle East start
caring about the Holy Bible, the mere possession of which is a crime in
Saudi Arabia

I'll care when these thugs tell the world they are sorry for hacking
off Nick Berg's head while Berg screamed through his gurgling slashed
throat.

I'll care when the cowardly so-called "insurgents" in
st1:country-region w:st="on"ST1lace
w:st="on"Iraq/ST1lace/st1:country-region come out and fight like
men instead of disrespecting their own religion by hiding in mosques.

I'll care when the mindless zealots who blow themselves up in search of
nirvana care about the innocent children within range of their suicide
bombs.
I'll care when the American media stops pretending that their First
Amendment liberties are somehow derived from international law instead
of the United States Constitution's Bill of Rights.

In the meantime, when I hear a story about a brave marine roughing up
an Iraqi terrorist to obtain information, know this: I don't care .

When I see a fuzzy photo of a pile of naked Iraqi prisoners who have
been humiliated in what amounts to a college-hazing incident, rest
assured: I don't care .

When I see a wounded terrorist get shot in the head when he is told not
to move because he might be booby-trapped, you can take it to the bank:
I don't care.

When I hear that a prisoner, who was issued a Koran and a prayer mat,
and fed "special" food that is paid for by my tax dollars, is
complaining that his holy book is being "mishandled," you can absolutely
believe in your heart of hearts: I don't care .

And oh, by the way, I've noticed that sometimes it's spelled "Koran"
and other times "Quran." Well, Jimmy Crack Corn and-you guessed it I
don't care!!

If you agree with this viewpoint, pass this on to all your E-mail
friends. Sooner or later, it'll get to the pe ople responsible for this
ridiculous behavior!

If you don't agree, then by all means hit the delete button. Should you
choose the latter, then please don't complain when more atrocities
committed by radical Muslims happen here in our great Country! And may I
add:

"Some people spend an entire lifetime wondering if they made a
difference in the world. But, the Marines don't have that problem." --
Ronald Reagan

I have another quote that I would like to add AND.......I hope you
forward all this.

"If we ever forget that we're One Nation Under God, then we will be a
nation gone under." Also by.. Ronald Reagan

One last thought for the day:

In case we find ourselves Starting to believe all the Anti-American
sentiment and negativity, we should remember Prime Minister Tony
Blair's words during a recent interview. When asked by one of his
Parliament members why he believes so much in America , he said: "A
simple way to take measure of a country is to look at how many want
in... And how many want out."

Only two defining forces have ever offered to die for you:
1. Jesus Christ
2. The American G. I.

One died for your soul, the other for your freedom.

YOU MIGHT WANT TO PASS THIS ON, AS MANY SEEM TO FORGET BOTH OF THEM.
AMENfficeffice\" /O/O

F/T AND I APPROVE OF THIS MESSAGE!!


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On 29-Dec-2007, Fishin Technician
wrote:

Only two defining forces have ever offered to die for you:
1. Jesus Christ
2. The American G. I.

One died for your soul, the other for your freedom.

Let me be perfectly clear about this:

Jesus s Christ - if you believe all that bull ****
Did not die for me!

And the Ameriacn soldier does not fight for the American people or for me in
Iraq and Afghnistan
What the **** do I care about Iraq and Afghanistan but you are too stupid
and duped by Patriotism to relaize that they are fighting for the
almightydollar
Thats it - Thats all there is
The Almighty dollar.

To make Bush, Cheney, Rove, Quail et al - even wealthier
If you do not see this you are a blind fool!

Fred

Don´t like to get into politics here, but this is a basic human rights
isssue.

QUOTE

The Right Fright:
Fear and Terror
by Lawrence M. Hinman
Baltimore Sun, Op-ed, October 21, 2004


Those with no fear are fools, underestimating real dangers or
overestimating their own abilities. Those with too much fear see
threats as greater than they are, and they often underestimate their
ability to respond effectively to danger. They are afraid to risk life
and limb but fail to understand that these are often of less value
than honor, integrity, freedom and other similar values.

Our goal in life - and in foreign policy as well - is not to be
fearless but to have appropriate fears: to fear the right thing at the
right time, in the right proportion and in the right way.

Terrorism seeks to create disproportionate and distorted fear, and
terrorists gain power that would otherwise be far beyond their grasp
through the manipulation and distortion of our fears. They seek to
have us fear the wrong things, to do so in a way that is
disproportionate to the actual level of threat and to act in
inappropriate ways in response to those fears. In so doing, they gain
a control over our lives far beyond that justified by their actual
power.

Terrorists are seldom alone in the manipulation of fear, and one of
the great ironies of terrorism is that its power is often increased by
politicians and media who see the manipulation of fear as furthering
their own agendas. These politicians may join in exaggerating and
distorting our fears and then - here is where they part company from
the terrorists themselves - they depict themselves as the answer to
these inflated and distorted fears.

They exaggerate the seriousness of the threat in order to highlight
themselves as the answer to these growing concerns. News media,
concerned with increasing market share, ensure that this message
reaches the widest possible audience. Critics are often depicted as
out of touch with the real threats confronting a country, as leading
the country to an eventual cataclysmic disaster.

In this process, instigated by terrorists but amplified by local
politicians and news media, our appropriate fears are distorted. We
begin to fear the wrong things, to fear them in a way disproportionate
to their actual level of threat and to pursue courses of action that
respond to these misperceived threats. In the process, other important
fears either recede into the background or are attached to
inappropriate objects and ineffective patterns of response.

For example, we stop fearing the loss of civil liberties and instead
fear, in an exaggerated way, terrorist attacks. We fear that our way
of life is under attack, but then we curtail quintessentially American
freedoms in response to this fear.

We Americans need to recover our appropriate fears. We need to be
afraid of the potential damage that can be done by terrorists, but we
need to recognize that there are far greater threats to American life
and limb, threats that persist day after day.

Of the 208 terrorist attacks launched in the last year, only a handful
of them were directed against the United States; of the 625 people
killed in terrorist attacks, 35 were Americans. At the same time, many
other threats - depicted far less prominently in the news and
discussed far less frequently by politicians - have put more Americans
at greater risk, including threats to the environment, inadequate
health care resources and a reduction of funding for education. Yet we
largely have ignored those threats and have been indifferent to the
development of effective responses to them.

There is no shortage of greater threats. More Americans died from
traffic fatalities in September 2001 than in the attacks on the twin
towers. Every three days, tobacco kills the same number of people who
died in the World Trade Center attacks. About 195,000 Americans die
every year from avoidable medical mistakes - the equivalent of a 9/11
attack every six days.

President Franklin D. Roosevelt said that the only thing we have to
fear is fear itself. But fear is not a bad thing. In fact, it can be a
fitting and helpful response to genuine threats. The absence of fear
can lead to miscalculations and mistakes. But fear must be directed
toward the real threats and must be proportionate to the actual level
of danger.

When we allow our fears to be hijacked, to be distorted by the
terrorists and by politicians who manipulate those exaggerated and
highly selective fears for their own purposes, we no longer have
appropriate fears.

When we allow ourselves to embark on courses of action that exacerbate
the threats against us and trample some of our most precious freedoms
in the process, we allow a distorted and disproportionate fear to lead
us down a path that is ultimately destructive to ourselves and to our
most fundamental values.

We do not need to stop being afraid. We just need to be afraid of the
right things and in the right way.

UNQUOTE

http://ethics.sandiego.edu/Applied/Military/torture.asp

By fighting among yourselves, and being extremely hateful to each
other on these issues, you are giving the terrorists and the
politicians who would use the situation to control you, even more
power, and furthering their aims.

MC

"Fishin Technician" wrote in
message ...

Somewhere I think waterboarding fits into this somewhere in what is
written below....

snipped yet another iteration of mentally deficient drivel

Well, you're wrong......again.

Imbecile.

Wolfgang
god, i love these threads!

On 2-Jan-2008, "Wolfgang" wrote:

Somewhere I think waterboarding fits into this somewhere in what is
written below....

snipped yet another iteration of mentally deficient drivel

Well, you're wrong......again.

Imbecile.

Wolfgang
god, i love these threads!

I hate them.
Mike And I wish that Lacourse Fortenberry and Connor would stop this ****
This is the kind of spiteful, hateful, non fishing crap that ruins ROFF for
many.

Except for Wolfgang

Dumbass

Fred

On Sat, 29 Dec 2007 15:35:25 -0800 (PST), BJConner
wrote:

But tomorrow I'll be sober, you will still be stupid and ugly.

You forgot rich, well hung, and a great fisherman.

d;o)