OT Vista

I've been shopping for a laptop for my summer travels and it's hard to find
anything that doesn't have Vista as the OS ( I looked at the MacBook Pro but
don't want to spend that much to send e-mail and store a few photos
....besides Apple people always seem to be a bit weird :-)

Is Vista as bad, buggy, and machine clogging, as I've heard ...i.e. pretty
damn bad? I've don't know anyone, personally, that is using it.

On 2008-04-02, Larry L wrote:

Is Vista as bad, buggy, and machine clogging, as I've heard ...i.e. pretty
damn bad? I've don't know anyone, personally, that is using it.

Yep. My buddy, who was a six figure income sysadmin, moved up from XP to
Vista. After 2 mos, he dumped it in a frustrated rage after it trashed his
HDD and he returned to XP.

Dell and Lenovo (formerly IBM) still sell XP laptops, but you'd better
hurry, as M$ is killing XP availability, shortly. Also, lest you be
tempted, M$ has a class action suit against it for falsely labeling "Vista
Capable" computers, which they are not.

nb (recommends Linux)

"notbob" wrote in message
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On 2008-04-02, Larry L wrote:

Is Vista as bad, buggy, and machine clogging, as I've heard ...i.e.
pretty
damn bad? I've don't know anyone, personally, that is using it.

Yep. My buddy, who was a six figure income sysadmin, moved up from XP to
Vista. After 2 mos, he dumped it in a frustrated rage after it trashed
his
HDD and he returned to XP.

Dell and Lenovo (formerly IBM) still sell XP laptops, but you'd better
hurry, as M$ is killing XP availability, shortly. Also, lest you be
tempted, M$ has a class action suit against it for falsely labeling "Vista
Capable" computers, which they are not.

nb (recommends Linux)

does the Eula still apply - in that bit where it says if you don't not agree
with
the terms and conditions return the software to your retailer for a refund
or replacement.
Derek
(uk)

On Wed, 02 Apr 2008 16:49:19 GMT, "Larry L" wrote:

Is Vista as bad, buggy, and machine clogging, as I've heard ...i.e. pretty
damn bad? I've don't know anyone, personally, that is using it.

Not really. I've been running it since the early betas, and now with SP1 it is
comparable in speed and stability to XP, at least for mainstream stuff. There's
a bit of a learning curve but not too bad. Most of the issues seem to deal with
legacy app's and peripherals.
--
Charlie...
http://www.chocphoto.com

On Wed, 02 Apr 2008 16:49:19 GMT, "Larry L"
wrote:

I've been shopping for a laptop for my summer travels and it's hard to find
anything that doesn't have Vista as the OS ( I looked at the MacBook Pro but
don't want to spend that much to send e-mail and store a few photos
...besides Apple people always seem to be a bit weird :-)

Is Vista as bad, buggy, and machine clogging, as I've heard ...i.e. pretty
damn bad? I've don't know anyone, personally, that is using it.


I'd recommend solving your problem by buying a good used laptop running
XP. I've seen laptops that would be way beyond enough for your stated
usage for $100-300.00USD on Craigslist, in the classifieds, etc. And
these aren't particularly old units - P4 class with 512 megs, 40-80 gig
HDs, CDRW/DVD players, etc. and better. Some folks, esp. gamers, simply
can't resist buying the "latest and greatest." I picked up a fairly
decked out large-screen ThinkPad (18 month old) for $150 on CL about 3
months ago. I bought it for use on a boat, so I didn't want to spend
much, and was somewhat shocked at what a coupla-hundred US would buy.

If you simply wish to buy new and/or use Vista, I'd offer that Charlie
Choc is about as good a source as you're likely to find (although not
the exclusive source) on ROFF. I've not upgraded any of our machines to
it simply because I've not found a need to do so - IOW, don't fix what
ain't broke.

TC,
R

"Charlie Choc" wrote in message
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On Wed, 02 Apr 2008 16:49:19 GMT, "Larry L"
wrote:

Is Vista as bad, buggy, and machine clogging, as I've heard ...i.e.
pretty
damn bad? I've don't know anyone, personally, that is using it.

Not really. I've been running it since the early betas, and now with SP1
it is
comparable in speed and stability to XP, at least for mainstream stuff.
There's
a bit of a learning curve but not too bad. Most of the issues seem to deal
with
legacy app's and peripherals.

Ditto that...

If you are starting fresh and aren't planning to migrate pre Vista software,
you should be fine. We have started moving some users to Vista at work
without issues and my new (4 month old laptop) has been stable.

JT

wrote

I'd recommend solving your problem by buying a good used laptop running
XP.


Since I posted earlier today I found a 'refurbished' one at Dell with a 1
year warranty and more than enough power ( AMD dual-core 1.8ghz, 1gig ram,
fast vid card, onboard WiFi etc ) for my modest needs ... $446.00 to my
door



One reason I wanted to avoid Vista is because I DO have several older
programs I want to run ... and a couple oddball things like Apache, PHP and
MySql, too I KNOW they all work fine on XP, have them on several
different machines, but I'm not looking for a hassle trying to get it all
running on an unknown ( to me ) OS


Thanks all for replies

On Wed, 2 Apr 2008 11:40:10 -0700, "JT"
wrote:


"Charlie Choc" wrote in message
.. .
On Wed, 02 Apr 2008 16:49:19 GMT, "Larry L"
wrote:

Is Vista as bad, buggy, and machine clogging, as I've heard ...i.e.
pretty
damn bad? I've don't know anyone, personally, that is using it.

Not really. I've been running it since the early betas, and now with SP1
it is
comparable in speed and stability to XP, at least for mainstream stuff.
There's
a bit of a learning curve but not too bad. Most of the issues seem to deal
with
legacy app's and peripherals.

Ditto that...

If you are starting fresh and aren't planning to migrate pre Vista software,
you should be fine. We have started moving some users to Vista at work
without issues and my new (4 month old laptop) has been stable.

JT

To me, the pre-Vista issue is _MAJOR_ factor. For example, it took a
while for Garmin to catch up with XP SR2 - the software needed to
install maps, etc. didn't work with SP2 for a period, which was a major
PITA. I'd offer that one should really investigate what their needs are
before such an upgrade to the OS. This is among the reasons we haven't
upgraded yet.

TC,
R

On Wed, 02 Apr 2008 18:56:49 GMT, "Larry L"
wrote:


wrote

I'd recommend solving your problem by buying a good used laptop running
XP.


Since I posted earlier today I found a 'refurbished' one at Dell with a 1
year warranty and more than enough power ( AMD dual-core 1.8ghz, 1gig ram,
fast vid card, onboard WiFi etc ) for my modest needs ... $446.00 to my
door



One reason I wanted to avoid Vista is because I DO have several older
programs I want to run ... and a couple oddball things like Apache, PHP and
MySql, too I KNOW they all work fine on XP, have them on several
different machines, but I'm not looking for a hassle trying to get it all
running on an unknown ( to me ) OS


Thanks all for replies

Glad it worked out and it sounds like you got a deal.

TC,
R

Larry L wrote:

...besides Apple people always seem to be a bit weird :-)

Yeah, we're weird. We like software that actually works. :-)

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