OT Vista

On Wed, 02 Apr 2008 13:59:57 -0500, wrote:

For example, it took a
while for Garmin to catch up with XP SR2 - the software needed to
install maps, etc. didn't work with SP2 for a period, which was a major
PITA.

FWIW, MapSource works fine on Vista.
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On Wed, 2 Apr 2008 11:40:10 -0700, "JT"
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"Charlie Choc" wrote in message
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On Wed, 02 Apr 2008 16:49:19 GMT, "Larry L"

wrote:

Is Vista as bad, buggy, and machine clogging, as I've heard ...i.e.
pretty
damn bad? I've don't know anyone, personally, that is using it.

Not really. I've been running it since the early betas, and now with SP1
it is
comparable in speed and stability to XP, at least for mainstream stuff.
There's
a bit of a learning curve but not too bad. Most of the issues seem to
deal
with
legacy app's and peripherals.

Ditto that...

If you are starting fresh and aren't planning to migrate pre Vista
software,
you should be fine. We have started moving some users to Vista at work
without issues and my new (4 month old laptop) has been stable.

JT

To me, the pre-Vista issue is _MAJOR_ factor. For example, it took a
while for Garmin to catch up with XP SR2 - the software needed to
install maps, etc. didn't work with SP2 for a period, which was a major
PITA. I'd offer that one should really investigate what their needs are
before such an upgrade to the OS. This is among the reasons we haven't
upgraded yet.

TC,
R

I would agree completely. I was going off Larry's first e-mail where he
mentioned using it for e-mail and saving photos. Had he mentioned adding
older software in the first post, I would have said no way.

JT

Larry L wrote:
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I'd recommend solving your problem by buying a good used laptop running
XP.



Since I posted earlier today I found a 'refurbished' one at Dell with a 1
year warranty and more than enough power ( AMD dual-core 1.8ghz, 1gig ram,
fast vid card, onboard WiFi etc ) for my modest needs ... $446.00 to my
door



One reason I wanted to avoid Vista is because I DO have several older
programs I want to run ... and a couple oddball things like Apache, PHP and
MySql, too I KNOW they all work fine on XP, have them on several
different machines, but I'm not looking for a hassle trying to get it all
running on an unknown ( to me ) OS

If you'd bought an Intel-based Mac (it would be more than $446) you'd be
able to run XP AND Vista, in addition to OS X, which is superior to both
of them.

Bundled software (Boot Camp) lets you boot into any of those OS. You
could also run Linux, and probably some other OS I'm not aware of.

With third-party virtualization software (Parallels or VMware Fusion)
you'd be able to run all of them at the same time.

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On Wed, 2 Apr 2008 14:29:08 -0500, "Guy" guytee2 at comcast dot net wrote:

Just purchased a new laptop with Vista. Functions ok but disappointed so
far. Will not allow Photoshop and digital camera software to load. Guess I
could go to the websites and try to get some compatible install programs for
my software. Pain in the ass. The alternative is waiting for Service Pack 1
from MS, if there is such a thing If I cannot get my personal software
to load, I will probably just reformat and install XP.
For what its worth.
Guy

SP1 is out. Photoshop CS2 will run on Vista, but CS3 is the only version Adobe
supports.
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"rw" wrote


If you'd bought an Intel-based Mac (it would be more than $446) you'd be
able to run XP AND Vista, in addition to OS X, which is superior to both
of them.

Bundled software (Boot Camp) lets you boot into any of those OS. You could
also run Linux, and probably some other OS I'm not aware of.

With third-party virtualization software (Parallels or VMware Fusion)
you'd be able to run all of them at the same time.




I'd like to try a Mac someday
... but, as mentioned, my shopping made it seem beyond my needs/means just
to stick in the travel trailer

... we're still spending plenty each year getting the kid higherly
eddakated at the fancy universery
.....so I drive a '92 Dodge and buy used laptops

..... but a bit of a brag on the returns from my investment, the kid called
this morning with the news that he was accepted into Phi Beta Kappa, not a
huge deal, but they Have had a couple fairly accomplished members since
1776, so
.... I be proud, ( and glad he takes after his mom, not his Okie bumpkin,
dimly lit, old man )

"Guy" guytee2 at comcast dot net wrote


from MS, if there is such a thing If I cannot get my personal
software to load, I will probably just reformat and install XP.
For what its worth.


careful !!! I looked at one machine locally that the owner had
'downgraded' from Vista to XP .... his tale of horrors about finding XP
drivers for all the hardware on a machine built for Vista was enough to
scare me off that idea

On 2008-04-02, Charlie Choc wrote:

SP1 is out. Photoshop CS2 will run on Vista, but CS3 is the only version Adobe
supports.

Seems to be one of the major probs with Vista. Many 3rd party software
vendors are taking a page from the M$ playbook and using Vista as an excuse
to force upgrades. Worked for Intel, as Vista is so bloated it requires
major hardware upgrades to run the much ballyhooed advanced graphics
features. Others are doing the same. For example, I hope you don't want
good sound from a Creative sound card. Notice, in this explanation by a
benevolent hacker, how a hardware company purposely crippled the drivers
for their own sound cards. This mindset does not bode well for Vista users.

nb

On 2008-04-02, notbob wrote:

good sound from a Creative sound card. Notice, in this explanation by a
benevolent hacker, how a hardware company purposely crippled the drivers
for their own sound cards. This mindset does not bode well for Vista users.

Oops... forgot the link:;

http://blog.wired.com/gadgets/2008/0..._k-who-fi.html

nb

Larry L wrote:
I've been shopping for a laptop for my summer travels and it's hard to find
anything that doesn't have Vista as the OS ( I looked at the MacBook Pro but
don't want to spend that much to send e-mail and store a few photos
...besides Apple people always seem to be a bit weird :-)

Is Vista as bad, buggy, and machine clogging, as I've heard ...i.e. pretty
damn bad? I've don't know anyone, personally, that is using it.



Vista is ****. If you get a Vista-based laptop you should immediately
upgrade to XP SP2.

Vista requires at least 1gb of memory, 512mb isn't even close (even M$
is quietly changing its recommended minimum requirements). Also
requires a more powerful video processor. Even with a nicely developed
system XP runs a lot faster. Vista SP1 is not an improvement.

The complete and utter failure of Vista is the reason M$ has accelerated
the release of the successor to Vista by almost a year.

Chip

(If Fedora Core 8 were faster, it would be a better choice than Vista.)

On Wed, 2 Apr 2008 15:51:52 -0500, "Guy" guytee2 at comcast dot net wrote:

- 5.0 Limited Edition. It will do more than
I have time in my life to learn. Any ideas on how to install it? I will go
find SP1 and install.

Run the install in admin mode with XP compatibility (set these in the properties
dialog of the install program). If that doesn't work you're probably out of
luck.
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