So maybe McCain's gas-tax holiday ain't so silly...if you're a Dem...

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http://www.rockymountainnews.com/new...-pass-gas-tax/

Rationalize this,
R

what's to rationalize?? So what, they'll figure out where the law stands and
pay the tab, I figure. How, in heaven's name, does that, in any way lessen
the absolute stupidity of McCain's gas-tax holiday?
Since you bring that one up, let's look it for a moment.
First, the savings is what, around $0.20 per gallon? Yet, the money
generated goes into road and bridge upkeep
(remember that bridge that fell into the river up in Minnesota....there's
lots more where that came from).
So we will mandate a reduction in bridge and highway repair to appease the
slower-witted voters out there. And, at the same time, **** off anyone whose
livelihood stems from road or bridge construction. Great plan, John...no
wonder it was a non-starter!
Tom

On Thu, 24 Jul 2008 21:19:24 GMT, "Tom Littleton"
wrote:

Yet, the money
generated goes into road and bridge upkeep
(remember that bridge that fell into the river up in Minnesota....there's
lots more where that came from).
So we will mandate a reduction in bridge and highway repair

Hey, Du-kakka-on-us did it with the gas taxes in Taxachusetts. He
used the money to help illegal Latinos. Meanwhile, our bridges and
roads went to pot, big chunks falling on cars. All roads and bridges
suffered, except the Mass Pike which was supposed to be paid for
decades ago. They keep borrowing money and therefore have to pay off
the notes, so, voila, we hafta pay ever increasing tolls.

To say nothing of the Ted Williams Tunnel fiasco........

Dave

"Dave LaCourse" wrote in message
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Hey, Du-kakka-on-us did it with the gas taxes in Taxachusetts. He
used the money to help illegal Latinos. Meanwhile, our bridges and
roads went to pot, big chunks falling on cars. All roads and bridges
suffered, except the Mass Pike which was supposed to be paid for
decades ago. They keep borrowing money and therefore have to pay off
the notes, so, voila, we hafta pay ever increasing tolls.

To say nothing of the Ted Williams Tunnel fiasco........

Dave

so, you see my point? Now, state gasoline taxes are generally higher than
the Fed tax. And, of course, you folks up there have a host of greedheads to
blame for that whole Big Dig fiasco. Still, building and maintaining
infrastructure is important, and must be paid somehow.
Tom

On Thu, 24 Jul 2008 22:39:34 GMT, "Tom Littleton"
wrote:

And, of course, you folks up there have a host of greedheads to
blame for that whole Big Dig fiasco.

Now is that anyway to talk about our beloved craft unions and Dem
politicians? d;o)

On Jul 24, 6:39 pm, "Tom Littleton" wrote:
"Dave LaCourse" wrote in message

...

Hey, Du-kakka-on-us did it with the gas taxes in Taxachusetts. He
used the money to help illegal Latinos. Meanwhile, our bridges and
roads went to pot, big chunks falling on cars. All roads and bridges
suffered, except the Mass Pike which was supposed to be paid for
decades ago. They keep borrowing money and therefore have to pay off
the notes, so, voila, we hafta pay ever increasing tolls.

To say nothing of the Ted Williams Tunnel fiasco........

Dave

so, you see my point? Now, state gasoline taxes are generally higher than
the Fed tax. And, of course, you folks up there have a host of greedheads to
blame for that whole Big Dig fiasco. Still, building and maintaining
infrastructure is important, and must be paid somehow.
Tom

The Big Dig work turned into a fiasco, but the downtown is much better
for it.

On Thu, 24 Jul 2008 21:19:24 GMT, "Tom Littleton"
wrote:


wrote in message
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http://www.rockymountainnews.com/new...-pass-gas-tax/

Rationalize this,
R

what's to rationalize?? So what, they'll figure out where the law stands and
pay the tab, I figure.

The fact that they are filling up at city pumps is problem one. The
fact that taxes only became an issue after the **** hit the fan is
another, larger one. And should anyone start claiming that the plan all
along was to pay the taxes, I'd offer that the **** would not have hit
the fan, or at least quite as much hitting with such force, were that
the case. The people responsible would have simply said, "Oh, yeah, we
thought about that, and it's already been figured into the billing."
Moreover, given that gasoline in the US is, at best, a VERY minimal
profit item, and often a break-even or even loss-leader, there's not
much reason beyond tax evasion to be using city pumps in the first
place.

How, in heaven's name, does that, in any way lessen
the absolute stupidity of McCain's gas-tax holiday?

It doesn't, but McCain's plan doesn't lessen the absolute stupidity and
arrogance of the DNC trying to evade gas tax. And while I don't quite
think his plan was "stupid," it was silly and useless, just as Obama's
idea about taxing "big oil companies" beyond standard corporate taxation
was silly and the "stimulus check" crap, supported by most pols of both
parties, was useless.

Since you bring that one up, let's look it for a moment.
First, the savings is what, around $0.20 per gallon? Yet, the money
generated goes into road and bridge upkeep
(remember that bridge that fell into the river up in Minnesota....there's
lots more where that came from).
So we will mandate a reduction in bridge and highway repair to appease the
slower-witted voters out there. And, at the same time, **** off anyone whose
livelihood stems from road or bridge construction. Great plan, John...no
wonder it was a non-starter!

You're preaching to the choir. If you recall, I said it was silly-assed
right here on ROFF about the same day he (and Hillary) started trying to
pitch it.

TC,
R
Tom

wrote:

The fact that they are filling up at city pumps is problem one. The
fact that taxes only became an issue after the **** hit the fan is
another, larger one. ...

Cities have been known to do all sorts of things to attract
conventions. I'll bet the genius who came up with the tax-free
gas idea was a Denver Republican. Hey, conventions are good for
bidness. The **** hit the fan, the DNC pays up. So what.

If you hadn't already claimed to have no rooting interest in
the 2008 presidential election I'd swear you were getting so
desperate as to grasp at strawmens. ;-)

--
Ken Fortenberry

On Thu, 24 Jul 2008 19:39:47 -0500, Ken Fortenberry
wrote:

wrote:

The fact that they are filling up at city pumps is problem one. The
fact that taxes only became an issue after the **** hit the fan is
another, larger one. ...

Cities have been known to do all sorts of things to attract
conventions.

All sorts of things besides things like this. FWIW, the Dems are/were
also getting thousands of free parking spaces (and myriad other "perks,"
like car washes) while the GOP is paying some 500 grand for its parking
needs, etc.

I'll bet the genius who came up with the tax-free
gas idea was a Denver Republican.

Apparently, not unless the Mayor and councilwoman switched parties for
the day. And as an aside, those involved apparently deliberately
underestimated the gas and bifurcated other "perks" out into separate
columns so as to keep each amount under the 500 grand ceiling needed for
council approval.

Hey, conventions are good for
bidness. The **** hit the fan, the DNC pays up. So what.

If you hadn't already claimed to have no rooting interest in
the 2008 presidential election

I never claimed to have "no rooting interest," I stated that I didn't
particularly care which of the two won. I always have an interest...and
a principle...and a principal...

HTH,
R

On Jul 26, 4:55*am, wrote:
On Thu, 24 Jul 2008 19:39:47 -0500, Ken Fortenberry

wrote:
wrote:

The fact that they are filling up at city pumps is problem one. *The
fact that taxes only became an issue after the **** hit the fan is
another, larger one. ...

Cities have been known to do all sorts of things to attract
conventions.

All sorts of things besides things like this. *FWIW, the Dems are/were
also getting thousands of free parking spaces (and myriad other "perks,"
like car washes) while the GOP is paying some 500 grand for its parking
needs, etc.

I'll bet the genius who came up with the tax-free
gas idea was a Denver Republican.

Apparently, not unless the Mayor and councilwoman switched parties for
the day. *And as an aside, those involved apparently deliberately
underestimated the gas and bifurcated other "perks" out into separate
columns so as to keep each amount under the 500 grand ceiling needed for
council approval. *

Hey, conventions are good for
bidness. The **** hit the fan, the DNC pays up. So what.

If you hadn't already claimed to have no rooting interest in
the 2008 presidential election

I never claimed to have "no rooting interest," I stated that I didn't
particularly care which of the two won. *I always have an interest...and
a principle...and a principal...

HTH,
R

Yeah that's all yow got:

"EXTRA EXTRA, "
"City gives perks to major convention!!!" READ ALL ABOUT IT.
"Chamber expects retail sales to reach new highs."
"Convention Bureau hints 2010 Dentist Confab in the Bag for Mudville."
"Flash!FlasH!"
"Sorry-assed Republicrat losers flog issue, "Its just so wrong, so
really wrong," says a tearful Mr. Dean, from his convent cell at Our
Lady of Perpetual Concern."
Details at 11.

Lets talk about some real scandal. War Profiteering, Tom Delay and the
slaves in Saipan. The money the Republican Party has taken from the
Saudis, The missing $16 billion, Dick Cheney's dealings with Libya.
Who paid for the Pres's ranch. The Fbi's ongoing espionage
investigations of Bush administration personnel. Administration
suppression of mine safety inspections and subsequent fatal
consequences. Republican donor/contractor failure to up-armor US
vehicles in Iraq. FBI investigation of prostitute access to the White
house. Medicare fraud and Republican "fundraising."
This would make a start.

Dave

In article ,
wrote:

It doesn't, but McCain's plan doesn't lessen the absolute stupidity and
arrogance of the DNC trying to evade gas tax. And while I don't quite
think his plan was "stupid," it was silly and useless, just as Obama's
idea about taxing "big oil companies" beyond standard corporate taxation
was silly and the "stimulus check" crap, supported by most pols of both
parties, was useless.

but you arent going to complain when the RNC does the same thing, which
it is doing.