Why McCain / Palin is OK with me

On 8 Sep 2008 13:32:04 GMT, Scott Seidman
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What do you see as some examples of this?


For one, the rampant use of the signing statement at an absurd level that
surpasses anything ever done before by any administration.

Two-- not showing Justice Department findings explaining how law is to be
interpreted. You can't keep the law a secret.

Three- ridiculous claims of executive privilege, and the ignoring of
Congressional subpeonaea

Well, if, um, "sub-peon" stuff would come from anywhere, Congress would
seem a likely source...

Seriously though, how would you argue that these are violations of the
US Constitution? Please cite what you argue is the violated article,
amendment, law, act, etc.

TC,
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On 8 Sep 2008 13:32:04 GMT, Scott Seidman
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What do you see as some examples of this?


For one, the rampant use of the signing statement at an absurd level
that surpasses anything ever done before by any administration.

Two-- not showing Justice Department findings explaining how law is to
be interpreted. You can't keep the law a secret.

Three- ridiculous claims of executive privilege, and the ignoring of
Congressional subpeonaea

Well, if, um, "sub-peon" stuff would come from anywhere, Congress
would seem a likely source...

Seriously though, how would you argue that these are violations of the
US Constitution? Please cite what you argue is the violated article,
amendment, law, act, etc.

TC,
R


The signing statement is the Executive Branch MAKING LAW. They are not
allowed to do that. Clear violation of separation of Powers.

There is no Executive privilege in the Constitution. Exercising that
"right" is a violation of the oversight responsibilities constitutionally
mandated to Congress.





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On 8 Sep 2008 18:37:02 GMT, Scott Seidman
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On 8 Sep 2008 13:32:04 GMT, Scott Seidman
wrote:

wrote in
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What do you see as some examples of this?


For one, the rampant use of the signing statement at an absurd level
that surpasses anything ever done before by any administration.

Two-- not showing Justice Department findings explaining how law is to
be interpreted. You can't keep the law a secret.

Three- ridiculous claims of executive privilege, and the ignoring of
Congressional subpeonaea

Well, if, um, "sub-peon" stuff would come from anywhere, Congress
would seem a likely source...

Seriously though, how would you argue that these are violations of the
US Constitution? Please cite what you argue is the violated article,
amendment, law, act, etc.

TC,
R


The signing statement is the Executive Branch MAKING LAW. They are not
allowed to do that. Clear violation of separation of Powers.

There is no Executive privilege in the Constitution. Exercising that
"right" is a violation of the oversight responsibilities constitutionally
mandated to Congress.

Hmmm...separation of powers...Congressional subpoenas...do you feel that
the President can subpoena members of Congress...what about a
Congressional subpoena to, oh, say, Scalia? Again, if you would, please
cite specifics as to the violations you allege.

As to signing statement, were you just as outraged when Clinton, who has
a JD and had a bar card, issued them? What about all the other
presidents that issued them? And are you prepared to state
categorically that if Obama, who also has a JD, but no bar card, is
elected and issues so much as one, that it would be your opinion that he
should be impeached as he would be a violator of the US Constitution?
Please cite and give _your_ opinion as to the alleged violation(s), not
the ABA's or some other opinion.

And what about the Justice Department findings you mentioned - what's
the argued violation you see there?

TC,
R

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Hmmm...separation of powers...Congressional subpoenas...do you feel that
the President can subpoena members of Congress...what about a
Congressional subpoena to, oh, say, Scalia? Again, if you would, please
cite specifics as to the violations you allege.


The President has no constitutional oversight responsibilities.

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On 8 Sep 2008 19:45:16 GMT, Scott Seidman
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Hmmm...separation of powers...Congressional subpoenas...do you feel that
the President can subpoena members of Congress...what about a
Congressional subpoena to, oh, say, Scalia? Again, if you would, please
cite specifics as to the violations you allege.


The President has no constitutional oversight responsibilities.

Hmmm...so what, in your opinion, should the President do should he feel
that Congress has presented a bill for signature or veto that contains a
Constitutional violation (keep in mind that line item veto is a no-no)?
IAC, extra-Constitutional and UN-Constitutional are two different
things.

And are you no longer contending that the other items you mentioned are
violations?

TC,
R

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On 8 Sep 2008 19:45:16 GMT, Scott Seidman
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Hmmm...separation of powers...Congressional subpoenas...do you feel
that the President can subpoena members of Congress...what about a
Congressional subpoena to, oh, say, Scalia? Again, if you would,
please cite specifics as to the violations you allege.


The President has no constitutional oversight responsibilities.

Hmmm...so what, in your opinion, should the President do should he
feel that Congress has presented a bill for signature or veto that
contains a Constitutional violation (keep in mind that line item veto
is a no-no)? IAC, extra-Constitutional and UN-Constitutional are two
different things.

Constitutionally, he has exactly those options you've already listed. He
can sign it, making it the law of the land, or he can veto it. He cannot
edit them -- and keep the editing secret, by the way.



And are you no longer contending that the other items you mentioned
are violations?

TC,
R


No. I still believe they go to the heart of separation of powers.

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And what about the Justice Department findings you mentioned - what's
the argued violation you see there?

You asked for a handful of examples. I believe I've offered them.

The Justice Department violations involve hiding the laws people need to
know so that they can obey them. Keeping the Justice Department
interpretations secret is Kafkaesque.

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On 8 Sep 2008 19:47:28 GMT, Scott Seidman
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And what about the Justice Department findings you mentioned - what's
the argued violation you see there?

You asked for a handful of examples. I believe I've offered them.

The Justice Department violations involve hiding the laws people need to
know so that they can obey them. Keeping the Justice Department
interpretations secret is Kafkaesque.

What law(s) do you allege was/were "hidden" and who do you claim was
prosecuted under that "hidden law?" Keep in mind that opinions are not
laws as well as the issue of privilege.

TC,
R

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On 8 Sep 2008 19:47:28 GMT, Scott Seidman
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And what about the Justice Department findings you mentioned -
what's the argued violation you see there?

You asked for a handful of examples. I believe I've offered them.

The Justice Department violations involve hiding the laws people need
to know so that they can obey them. Keeping the Justice Department
interpretations secret is Kafkaesque.

What law(s) do you allege was/were "hidden" and who do you claim was
prosecuted under that "hidden law?" Keep in mind that opinions are
not laws as well as the issue of privilege.

TC,
R


Would "domestic spying" ring a bell?

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Seriously though, how would you argue that these are violations of the
US Constitution? *Please cite what you argue is the violated article,
amendment, law, act, etc.

TC,
R
Scout Dean, its time you carried your own pack like a man.
Richard, see, this is that deal about the importance of doing YOUR OWN
READING again. You have had access to the same media, and maybe even
more of the CONSERVATIVE analysis of the constitutional problems with
the Bush Presidency. Yet, you need to ask others to do your work,
gather your footnotes, clean up your messes.
Dave
Cowboy up man, show some gumption