Furled leader vs. tapered mono

"Peaceful Bill" wrote in message
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Ken Fortenberry wrote:

As for me, tried 'em, didn't like 'em, don't, won't use 'em. Not
enough oomph in the bass bug sizes and too much splash in the
delicate dry fly sizes.


Good enough. Thanks.

No flame wars intended.

FWIW, I'm one of the folks who likes furled leaders. But I don't care
for the ones made from mono, as they don't seem to be much of an improvement
over a regular mono tapered leader. I make my own from Unithread, and to me
that's the only way to go if you're going furled. They are very supple,
turn over really nicely, and contrary to Ken's statement, they don't spray
if they are treated with floatant. (I use Mucilin on mine.)

Having said all that, I don't use them exclusively, but they are decent
for dry fly fishing in situations where you're working with a short line
out. And if you attach a "tippet ring" to the end, it makes for easy tippet
changes and the leader will last just about as long as you want it to.

FYI, furled are not the same as braided.


Chuck Vance

Conan The Librarian wrote:
"Peaceful Bill" wrote in message
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Ken Fortenberry wrote:
As for me, tried 'em, didn't like 'em, don't, won't use 'em. Not
enough oomph in the bass bug sizes and too much splash in the
delicate dry fly sizes.

Good enough. Thanks.

No flame wars intended.

FWIW, I'm one of the folks who likes furled leaders. But I don't care
for the ones made from mono, as they don't seem to be much of an improvement
over a regular mono tapered leader. I make my own from Unithread, and to me
that's the only way to go if you're going furled. They are very supple,
turn over really nicely, and contrary to Ken's statement, they don't spray
if they are treated with floatant. (I use Mucilin on mine.)

Having said all that, I don't use them exclusively, but they are decent
for dry fly fishing in situations where you're working with a short line
out. And if you attach a "tippet ring" to the end, it makes for easy tippet
changes and the leader will last just about as long as you want it to.

FYI, furled are not the same as braided.

The tippet you tie to the ring, is that furled or just plain mono ?
If it's mono that would probably solve my splash problem but still
I haven't ever used one that was better than just a well constructed
mono leader and in the case of heaving bass bugs where I like a really
stiff butt on my leader the furled ones are inferior. IMNSHO.

--
Ken Fortenberry

Ken Fortenberry wrote:
Conan The Librarian wrote:
"Peaceful Bill" wrote in message
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Ken Fortenberry wrote:
As for me, tried 'em, didn't like 'em, don't, won't use 'em. Not
enough oomph in the bass bug sizes and too much splash in the
delicate dry fly sizes.

Good enough. Thanks.

No flame wars intended.

FWIW, I'm one of the folks who likes furled leaders. But I don't
care for the ones made from mono, as they don't seem to be much of an
improvement over a regular mono tapered leader. I make my own from
Unithread, and to me that's the only way to go if you're going
furled. They are very supple, turn over really nicely, and contrary
to Ken's statement, they don't spray if they are treated with
floatant. (I use Mucilin on mine.)

Having said all that, I don't use them exclusively, but they are
decent for dry fly fishing in situations where you're working with a
short line out. And if you attach a "tippet ring" to the end, it
makes for easy tippet changes and the leader will last just about as
long as you want it to.

FYI, furled are not the same as braided.

The tippet you tie to the ring, is that furled or just plain mono ?
If it's mono that would probably solve my splash problem but still
I haven't ever used one that was better than just a well constructed
mono leader and in the case of heaving bass bugs where I like a really
stiff butt on my leader the furled ones are inferior. IMNSHO.


The leaders I was asking about have those rings for tying (looping) on
tippets.

In the past, I've usually used mono leaders that are fairly heavy.
Sometimes a 2X or 3X mono leader on a 4wt or 5wt rod. I usually use 5x
or 6x flouro tippet. Leader turns over OK but sometimes creates a
pretty good hinge at the tippet.

On Nov 10, 4:39*pm, Peaceful Bill
wrote:

The leaders I was asking about have those rings for tying (looping) on
tippets.

In the past, I've usually used mono leaders that are fairly heavy.
Sometimes a 2X or 3X mono leader on a 4wt or 5wt rod. *I usually use 5x
or 6x flouro tippet. *Leader turns over OK but sometimes creates a
pretty good hinge at the tippet.

If you want to avoid hinging at the ring, then you must use tippet of
the appropriate diameter ( and/or stiffness), and knot it. For this
reason, some people superglue ( cyanoacrylate glue) the knots as well.

For a number of applications,( slack line nymphing for instance, with
or without an indicator) lighter tippet which hinges at a right angle
is beneficial in reaching depth more quickly and gives better
indication. You need to use a tuck cast with such leaders to PREVENT
them straightening out at presentation.

For dry fly fishing, you need the right tippet to enable power
transfer and turnover. Stepping down if required. If the tippet you
use is too light, or merely looped, then it will hings, and power
transfer is also badly affected.

Some info here;

http://www.derekmckenzie.com.au/blueskystory.html

TL
MC

Also, if you want to toss heavy flies, then you need a leader designed
to do so. Furled, twined, or Singaporean leaders, as well as heavy
mono leaders will all do that if correctly designed.

For some applications "double tapered" leaders give superior results
for heavy flies. But a correct taper design will also work perfectly
well.

Using ordinary trout size/type leaders wont work for heavy flies,
regardless of how they are made.

TL
MC

"Ken Fortenberry" wrote in message
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The tippet you tie to the ring, is that furled or just plain mono ?

Plain mono. I make a fairly short furled leader (I think the board I
currently have does about a 6' leader), and then attach a long tippet
section to it.

If it's mono that would probably solve my splash problem but still
I haven't ever used one that was better than just a well constructed
mono leader and in the case of heaving bass bugs where I like a really
stiff butt on my leader the furled ones are inferior. IMNSHO.

No argument there. The major strength (no pun intended) of a thread
furled leader (suppleness) is not so helpful when tossing large bugs.


Chuck Vance