OT In defense of pirates ...

On Apr 13, 8:39*am, Ken Fortenberry
wrote:
Another side of the story:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/johann...-lied-to-abo_b...

--
Ken Fortenberry

I am not sympathetic. They grab our merchant ships, we should kill em
whenever we can.

Here is the story I am worried about. In recent months a number of
Somali young men from Minneapolis and a few from Seattle have been
"disappearing." There has been some back channel rumours of US based
Somalis being involved in the business and money laundering side of
the pirate business. My suspicious mind is saying maybe these Somali
Muslim youth were not headed for terrorist camps; maybe they were
headed for positions in the pirate operations. Maybe when some of the
former pirates are transformed into bodies, we will be in for some
enlightenment and hopefully my suspicions will have been unwarranted.
If they ARE US residents, and captured, I think they need to face
something akin to treason charges.

Dave

DaveS wrote:
Ken Fortenberry wrote:
Another side of the story:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/johann...-lied-to-abo_b...

I am not sympathetic. They grab our merchant ships, we should kill em
whenever we can.

Hell yeah, kill all those cowardly mother****ers. I mean what a bunch
of worthless girly men. The Japs come in with their trawlers and take
all their fish illegally and what do those wimps do ? Nada. Not a
goddamn thing. If they had any balls at all they'd build a long range
bomber and an atomic bomb and nuke hell out of the ****in' Japs like
real men. Hell, that's what *we* did and what's good enough for 'Murica
is good enough for those Somali *******s.

--
Ken Fortenberry

On Apr 13, 2:51*pm, Ken Fortenberry
wrote:
DaveS wrote:
Ken Fortenberry wrote:
Another side of the story:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/johann...-lied-to-abo_b....

I am not sympathetic. They grab our merchant ships, we should kill em
whenever we can.

Hell yeah, kill all those cowardly mother****ers. I mean what a bunch
of worthless girly men. The Japs come in with their trawlers and take
all their fish illegally and what do those wimps do ? Nada. Not a
goddamn thing. If they had any balls at all they'd build a long range
bomber and an atomic bomb and nuke hell out of the ****in' Japs like
real men. Hell, that's what *we* did and what's good enough for 'Murica
is good enough for those Somali *******s.

--
Ken Fortenberry


There have been lots of mistakes in Somalia. The USAs most recent
mistake was to pay the Ethiopians to invade and take down the emerging
"Islamic Courts" government (using the term loosely) because we were
backing another bunch of clowns further north who had no base of armed
support. If we would have just let things happen we could have
negotiated/bribed the Islamic Courts into taking out the pirates who
were a minor nuisance at the time, and aided them in remounting a
coast guard and fishing zone protection operation.

Unfortunately that option was not taken by the Bushies so we are where
we are, and that is what we have to work with. It's just plain
unacceptable to let the pirates stand in the way of all the food aid
operations in East Africa. Is there more than a bit of hypocracy going
on in regards to ripping off the fish? Ya You Betcha. And its not just
the Japanese (easy with the J_p stuff please. I am a member of the
JACL, and we just dedicated the internment memorial here). It is also
the Spanish and those pirate fishing/whaling operations typically
bankrolled with Norwegian money

Whats new. It also bugs me that all the cell phones used on the planet
use minerals/metals mined and marketed thru warlords who have turned
the Eastern Congo into the worlds worst blood bath and slave state for
the last 10 years. Hello Nokia, Apple etc, etc etc. They all are doing
business with zip degrees of separation from some of the worst
*******s on the planet. I am waiting for the indignation, protests,
and boycotts to start in the tech community with baited breath. I
don't hear anything from Libs or Wingnuts on this outrage.

Dave

On Mon, 13 Apr 2009 15:22:06 -0700 (PDT), DaveS
wrote:

baited breath

Baited breath? Yuck! That can't be good for you.

d;o)

On Apr 13, 4:03*pm, Dave LaCourse wrote:
On Mon, 13 Apr 2009 15:22:06 -0700 (PDT), DaveS
wrote:

baited breath

Baited breath? *Yuck! *That can't be good for you.

d;o)

Ya its a great ting. Dey going to serve de herring und de lutefisk in
dem school lunch program here. Did I tell you de one bout Evil
Torkelson yumping hes rototiller over 6 barrels of dat lutefisk? Two
of de barrels is going to de boys on de USS Bainbridge and de others
are saving for der Bin laudins funeral. Ya you betcha.
Dave

DaveS wrote:
On Apr 13, 2:51 pm, Ken Fortenberry
wrote:
DaveS wrote:
Ken Fortenberry wrote:
Another side of the story:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/johann...-lied-to-abo_b...
I am not sympathetic. They grab our merchant ships, we should kill em
whenever we can.
Hell yeah, kill all those cowardly mother****ers. I mean what a bunch
of worthless girly men. The Japs come in with their trawlers and take
all their fish illegally and what do those wimps do ? Nada. Not a
goddamn thing. If they had any balls at all they'd build a long range
bomber and an atomic bomb and nuke hell out of the ****in' Japs like
real men. Hell, that's what *we* did and what's good enough for 'Murica
is good enough for those Somali *******s.

--
Ken Fortenberry


There have been lots of mistakes in Somalia. The USAs most recent
mistake was to pay the Ethiopians to invade and take down the emerging
"Islamic Courts" government (using the term loosely) because we were
backing another bunch of clowns further north who had no base of armed
support. If we would have just let things happen we could have
negotiated/bribed the Islamic Courts into taking out the pirates who
were a minor nuisance at the time, and aided them in remounting a
coast guard and fishing zone protection operation.

The "pirates" are still a minor nuisance. It's only American hubris
and American macho swaggering that elevated the targeting of an
American cargo ship to a national security issue. Most reasonable
folks agree that so long as the pirates don't harm anyone, and they
haven't, it's just good sense to pay the pittance and move along.

Unfortunately that option was not taken by the Bushies so we are where
we are, and that is what we have to work with. It's just plain
unacceptable to let the pirates stand in the way of all the food aid
operations in East Africa. ...

Give me a break. The "pirates", one of whom was all of 16 years old,
had no idea what was on the cargo ship or under what flag it was flying.

Is there more than a bit of hypocracy going
on in regards to ripping off the fish? Ya You Betcha. And its not just
the Japanese (easy with the J_p stuff please. I am a member of the
JACL, and we just dedicated the internment memorial here). It is also
the Spanish and those pirate fishing/whaling operations typically
bankrolled with Norwegian money

Yeah well, **** the Japs and the Spanish and the Norwegians and the
Italian mafia too. The point being killing all Somalis whenever we have
the chance isn't going to solve the underlying problem.

Whats new. It also bugs me that all the cell phones used on the planet
use minerals/metals mined and marketed thru warlords who have turned
the Eastern Congo into the worlds worst blood bath and slave state for
the last 10 years. Hello Nokia, Apple etc, etc etc. They all are doing
business with zip degrees of separation from some of the worst
*******s on the planet. I am waiting for the indignation, protests,
and boycotts to start in the tech community with baited breath. I
don't hear anything from Libs or Wingnuts on this outrage.

Yeah well, start a new thread about US subsidized warlords in the Congo.
This thread is about Somalia.

--
Ken Fortenberry

On Apr 13, 4:48*pm, Ken Fortenberry
wrote:
DaveS wrote:
On Apr 13, 2:51 pm, Ken Fortenberry
wrote:
DaveS wrote:
Ken Fortenberry wrote:
Another side of the story:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/johann...-lied-to-abo_b....
I am not sympathetic. They grab our merchant ships, we should kill em
whenever we can.
Hell yeah, kill all those cowardly mother****ers. I mean what a bunch
of worthless girly men. The Japs come in with their trawlers and take
all their fish illegally and what do those wimps do ? Nada. Not a
goddamn thing. If they had any balls at all they'd build a long range
bomber and an atomic bomb and nuke hell out of the ****in' Japs like
real men. Hell, that's what *we* did and what's good enough for 'Murica
is good enough for those Somali *******s.

--
Ken Fortenberry

There have been lots of mistakes in Somalia. The USAs most recent
mistake was to pay the Ethiopians to invade and take down the emerging
"Islamic Courts" government (using the term loosely) because we were
backing another bunch of clowns further north who had no base of armed
support. If we would have just let things happen we could have
negotiated/bribed the Islamic Courts into taking out the pirates who
were a minor nuisance at the time, and aided them in remounting a
coast guard and fishing zone protection operation.

The "pirates" are still a minor nuisance. It's only American hubris
and American macho swaggering that elevated the targeting of an
American cargo ship to a national security issue. Most reasonable
folks agree that so long as the pirates don't harm anyone, and they
haven't, it's just good sense to pay the pittance and move along.

Unfortunately that option was not taken by the Bushies so we are where
we are, and that is what we have to work with. It's just plain
unacceptable to let the pirates stand in the way of all the food aid
operations in East Africa. ...

Give me a break. The "pirates", one of whom was all of 16 years old,
had no idea what was on the cargo ship or under what flag it was flying.

Is there more than a bit of hypocracy going
on in regards to ripping off the fish? Ya You Betcha. And its not just
the Japanese (easy with the J_p stuff please. I am a member of the
JACL, and we just dedicated the internment memorial here). It is also
the Spanish and those pirate fishing/whaling operations typically
bankrolled with Norwegian money

Yeah well, **** the Japs and the Spanish and the Norwegians and the
Italian mafia too. The point being killing all Somalis whenever we have
the chance isn't going to solve the underlying problem.

Whats new. It also bugs me that all the cell phones used on the planet
use minerals/metals mined and marketed thru warlords who have turned
the Eastern Congo into the worlds worst blood bath and slave state for
the last 10 years. Hello Nokia, Apple etc, etc etc. They all are doing
business with zip degrees of separation from some of the worst
*******s on the planet. I am waiting for the indignation, protests,
and boycotts to start in the tech community with baited breath. I
don't hear anything from Libs or Wingnuts on this outrage.

Yeah well, start a new thread about US subsidized warlords in the Congo.
This thread is about Somalia.

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Ken Fortenberry- Hide quoted text -

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Well first I don't think I implied we should kill all Somalis, but I
have no problem with going after those that would kill our citizens
and attack our civilian merchant marine. Our right to that reaction is
basic to our sovereignty as a nation. Obama was briefed something like
17 times on the situation, and authorized use of force to free the
American twice. The Somali "Elders" we were negotiating with were not
into releasing the Captain or turning over the kidnappers for law
enforcement type action in Kenya, and the captors had already shot at
the captain once.. You do know that the Indian, French and one other
Navy has already had armed run-ins with these folks before, right? One
hostage was killed recently.

And second, on the Congo thing, maybe you are right.

Dave
Hang in there.