OT A small masterpiece

Well, at least one other person shares my enthusiasm over
the President's Georgetown speech on the economy.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/21/opinion/21brooks.html

I'll say it again, Obama should make this guy a White House
adviser. He's conservative to the core and I disagree with
him more often than not, but his analysis is always thoughtful,
thorough and without a lot of ideological baggage.

--
Ken Fortenberry

On Tue, 21 Apr 2009 10:01:21 -0500, Ken Fortenberry
wrote:

Well, at least one other person shares my enthusiasm over
the President's Georgetown speech on the economy.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/21/opinion/21brooks.html

I'll say it again, Obama should make this guy a White House
adviser. He's conservative to the core and I disagree with
him more often than not, but his analysis is always thoughtful,
thorough and without a lot of ideological baggage.

Um, did you read all the way to end...? Basically, he says what I've been
saying - that Obama hasn't proven himself capable as of yet, and many of things
he has done cast doubt on his ability to handle things. I have not said, nor do
I read Brooks saying, that Obama cannot handle things, but rather, that thus
far, his ability to do so is in doubt.

HTH,
R

wrote:
Ken Fortenberry wrote:
Well, at least one other person shares my enthusiasm over
the President's Georgetown speech on the economy.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/21/opinion/21brooks.html

I'll say it again, Obama should make this guy a White House
adviser. He's conservative to the core and I disagree with
him more often than not, but his analysis is always thoughtful,
thorough and without a lot of ideological baggage.

Um, did you read all the way to end...? Basically, he says what I've been
saying - that Obama hasn't proven himself capable as of yet, and many of things
he has done cast doubt on his ability to handle things. ...

Is *that* what he says ? Basically ? LOL !! Try reading it again
but this time take off the tinfoil hood. I'll bet you dollars to
doughnuts that without the hood you will be unable to locate the
words "capable", "doubt" and "ability" in that column. Go ahead,
give it a try.

--
Ken Fortenberry

wrote


Um, did you read all the way to end...? Basically, he says what I've been
saying - that Obama hasn't proven himself capable as of yet, and many of
things
he has done cast doubt on his ability to handle things.


I find, thus far, this thread amusing as an example of
.... well, something

Ken sees Brooks ( as do I ) as rare because "his analysis is always
thoughtful, thorough and without a lot of ideological baggage." but
apparently doesn't notice the, imho accurate, negative comments about
Obama's struggles to get past words and into real responsibility


rdean, on the other hand, seems to skip over the "small masterpiece"
comments and the expressions of obvious respect for Obama and sees only the
weaknesses mentioned in the piece


I think BOTH things ( in MY reading ) Brooks says are right, i.e. Obama is
the most intelligent, highest 'potential' pres we've had in ... well, my
memory/ life ... AND, Obama "has found a theme and bids to reassert
authority. But he will seem like an impostor and a manipulator if he imposes
responsibility on everybody but himself." The first is so pleasantly
obvious when he speaks, but the second is getting more and more so, as
"Obama imposes hard choices on others, but has postponed his own."


Larry L ( who is a big fan of our new President but knows that his job
isn't, really, building a big fan club And who does looks forward,
confidently, to proclaiming how proud he is of all Obama has done, not just
what he has proposed. )

On Tue, 21 Apr 2009 18:28:49 GMT, "Larry L" wrote:


wrote


Um, did you read all the way to end...? Basically, he says what I've been
saying - that Obama hasn't proven himself capable as of yet, and many of
things
he has done cast doubt on his ability to handle things.


I find, thus far, this thread amusing as an example of
... well, something

Ken sees Brooks ( as do I ) as rare because "his analysis is always
thoughtful, thorough and without a lot of ideological baggage." but
apparently doesn't notice the, imho accurate, negative comments about
Obama's struggles to get past words and into real responsibility


rdean, on the other hand, seems to skip over the "small masterpiece"
comments and the expressions of obvious respect for Obama and sees only the
weaknesses mentioned in the piece

I do/did? Where did I even hint that anything he said was wrong or that
disagreed with it? I've said myself that Obama says a lot good things and has a
lot of potential. My main criticism is and has been that he has no real,
substantive history to base much upon. Just because someone is 6'6" and 300 lbs
doesn't mean they are or capable of being a NFL defensive lineman.


I think BOTH things ( in MY reading ) Brooks says are right, i.e. Obama is

the most intelligent,

highest 'potential'

pres we've had in ... well, my memory/ life

Two different things, IMO. I'd say Ford was probably the "highest potential"
and lived up to much of it, even if it wasn't realized at the time (consider
what anyone was faced with, taking over for Nixon). I'd say Clinton was
probably the "most intelligent, highest potential," but ****ed it away
disgracefully. Obama is probably about tied intelligence-wise, but no where
near as "savvy" and "smart" as Clinton. I'd rank Bush as a little above average
in intelligence, and as much as it'll horrify some, among the most honorable
insofar as sticking to his principles (which makes no comment on those
principles). I will say that I believe Clinton is the only POTUS since Kennedy
who thought of himself and his interests above that of the country - IOW, I
believe that all since, even Nixon, except Clinton, did much or most of what
they did because he believed it was right for the country.

... AND, Obama "has found a theme and bids to reassert
authority. But he will seem like an impostor and a manipulator if he imposes
responsibility on everybody but himself." The first is so pleasantly
obvious when he speaks, but the second is getting more and more so, as
"Obama imposes hard choices on others, but has postponed his own."


Larry L ( who is a big fan of our new President

IMO, being a "big fan" of any pol is a dangerous thing...for both you and
them...

HTH,
R

but knows that his job
isn't, really, building a big fan club And who does looks forward,
confidently, to proclaiming how proud he is of all Obama has done, not just
what he has proposed. )

On Apr 21, 11:28*am, "Larry L" wrote:
SNIP
I think BOTH things *( in MY reading ) Brooks says are right, i.e. Obama is
the most intelligent, highest 'potential' *pres we've had in ... well, my
memory/ life ... AND, Obama "has found a theme and bids to reassert
authority. But he will seem like an impostor and a manipulator if he imposes
responsibility on everybody but himself." * *The first is so pleasantly
obvious when he speaks, but the second is getting more and more so, as
"Obama imposes hard choices on others, but has postponed his own."

Larry L ( who is a big fan of our new President but knows that his job
isn't, really, building a big fan club * *And who does looks forward,
confidently, to proclaiming how proud he is of all Obama has done, not just
what he has proposed. )

Oh I don't know:

Seems like . . .
1. Following thru on release of the torture memos was a hard choice.
2. Opening up realistic relations with Mexico on drugs was not easy.
3. Ending the hypocracy that let anybody who could channel
arrangements thru a set of Republican "fixers" go to Cuba to fish etc
and call it "cultural exchanges."
4. Holding his tongue for Ortega and Chavez so the USA could begin to
reverse the Bush losses in Latin America, could not have been easy.
5. Deciding to hold off on war crime prosecutions in the interests of
national unity, while Cheney runs his mouth off fully aware that Obama
knows just how dirty the VP office was could not be easy. Even Bush
refused the pardons.
6. You want more? Just think "Bush mess" then look for the broom in
Obama's hand.

In less that 100 days Obama has made a significant dent in the massive
pile of **** that the worst, most incompetent and most corrupt
Presidential administration in modern history has brought about. I can
understand why some former Bushie supporters want to substitute denial
and hyena-like whining for the **** pile their choices helped create.
It helps them avoid the fact that their choices seriously damaged and
weakened the USA.

Dave

On Tue, 21 Apr 2009 12:01:44 -0700 (PDT), 4F 3rd Class Duck
wrote:

I don't know:

Daffy

There...

HTH,
R

Larry L wrote:
wrote
Um, did you read all the way to end...? Basically, he says what I've been
saying - that Obama hasn't proven himself capable as of yet, and many of
things he has done cast doubt on his ability to handle things.

I find, thus far, this thread amusing as an example of
... well, something

Ken sees Brooks ( as do I ) as rare because "his analysis is always
thoughtful, thorough and without a lot of ideological baggage." but
apparently doesn't notice the, imho accurate, negative comments about
Obama's struggles to get past words and into real responsibility

I noticed the negative comments and I agree that he will seem like
an impostor and a manipulator if he doesn't find a way to reduce
the deficit in the long term. I don't agree when he says Obama is
being irresponsible by proposing massive short term deficits, I
think it's both responsible and necessary, and I don't agree that
seeming to be passive in the face of Congressional meddling is bad.
We don't know what kind of arm twisting and back stabbing is going
on behind the scenes so ringing the death knell for cap and trade
and a reduction in ag subsidies is premature.

rdean, on the other hand, seems to skip over the "small masterpiece"
comments and the expressions of obvious respect for Obama and sees only the
weaknesses mentioned in the piece

My bone of contention with Rick is that nowhere in that column did
Brooks say, assert, infer or even hint that Obama hasn't proven
himself capable or that there is doubt about his ability. Rick just
made that bull**** up out of whole cloth and attributed it to Brooks.

--
Ken Fortenberry

On Apr 21, 12:47*pm, wrote:
On Tue, 21 Apr 2009 12:01:44 -0700 (PDT), 4F 3rd Class Duck
wrote:

I don't know:

Daffy

There...

HTH,
R

Are you reduced to that? It is at points such as this that I know you
are vanquished, and further pummeling would be cruel. You may pick up
the certificate of consolation at the servants exit. Take heart that
with time, more exercise and healthy eating you can find renewal and
provide good sport once again.

Dave
There is a certain sadness that also goes with victory but I shall get
over it.

On Tue, 21 Apr 2009 12:01:44 -0700 (PDT), 4F 3rd Class Duck
wrote:

I don't know:

Daffy

There...

HTH,
R