OT - when politics gets personal

"Giles" wrote in message
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On Feb 24, 1:12 pm, "Bill McKee" wrote:

...ways to lower costs. Number one is increase the supply of
doctors....

Hm.....

So, the number of doctors in America has been falling precipitously in
recent decades.....and nobody told me?

g.
always the last to know.


Reply:
Population growth and very controlled numbers of prospective doctors
admitted to med school. And if you can not make enough money to justify the
$200k+ to get through doctor school, there will be even less doctors per
person in the country.

Bill McKee wrote:
"Giles" wrote in message
...
On Feb 24, 1:12 pm, "Bill McKee" wrote:

...ways to lower costs. Number one is increase the supply of
doctors....

Hm.....

So, the number of doctors in America has been falling precipitously in
recent decades.....and nobody told me?

g.
always the last to know.


Reply:
Population growth and very controlled numbers of prospective doctors
admitted to med school. And if you can not make enough money to justify the
$200k+ to get through doctor school, there will be even less doctors per
person in the country.



there's an easy remedy on the cost of med school tuition...and i suspect
you can figure it out. look at what we do for (to) teachers...etc.
yours is a non-argument for continuing the insane profit driven health
care system we are condemned to have in this country for the middle and
lower socio-economic class (i.e., majority). there has to be a better
way. i'm all for a tax, a restructure, something that assures
reasonable, affordable health care for our citizens.

jeff

"jeff" wrote in message
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Bill McKee wrote:
"Giles" wrote in message
...
On Feb 24, 1:12 pm, "Bill McKee" wrote:

...ways to lower costs. Number one is increase the supply of
doctors....

Hm.....

So, the number of doctors in America has been falling precipitously in
recent decades.....and nobody told me?

g.
always the last to know.


Reply:
Population growth and very controlled numbers of prospective doctors
admitted to med school. And if you can not make enough money to justify
the $200k+ to get through doctor school, there will be even less doctors
per person in the country.

there's an easy remedy on the cost of med school tuition...and i suspect
you can figure it out. look at what we do for (to) teachers...etc. yours
is a non-argument for continuing the insane profit driven health care
system we are condemned to have in this country for the middle and lower
socio-economic class (i.e., majority). there has to be a better way. i'm
all for a tax, a restructure, something that assures reasonable,
affordable health care for our citizens.

jeff

But those nice life extending drugs, and devices are developed because of
the profit motive. Last job I had was part of a Bio-med company developing
a cure for stage 1 incontinence in women. Investors poured $45,000,000 in
to the company. Problem was bad management, and we failed in clinicals and
they may have recovered 3-4 million in the end. How many groups would bet
$45 million if not a prospect of gaining 4-5x that amount in the end?

On Feb 26, 10:57*pm, "CalifBill" wrote:
"jeff" wrote in message

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Bill McKee wrote:
"Giles" wrote in message
....
On Feb 24, 1:12 pm, "Bill McKee" wrote:

...ways to lower costs. Number one is increase the supply of
doctors....

Hm.....

So, the number of doctors in America has been falling precipitously in
recent decades.....and nobody told me? * * * *

g.
always the last to know.

Reply:
Population growth and very controlled numbers of prospective doctors
admitted to med school. *And if you can not make enough money to justify
the $200k+ to get through doctor school, there will be even less doctors
per person in the country.

there's an easy remedy on the cost of med school tuition...and i suspect
you can figure it out. look at what we do for (to) teachers...etc. yours
is a non-argument for continuing the insane profit driven health care
system we are condemned to have in this country for the middle and lower
socio-economic class (i.e., majority). *there has to be a better way. i'm
all for a tax, a restructure, something that assures reasonable,
affordable health care for our citizens.

jeff

But those nice life extending drugs, and devices are developed because of
the profit motive. *Last job I had was part of a Bio-med company developing
a cure for stage 1 incontinence in women. *Investors poured $45,000,000 in
to the company. *Problem was bad management, and we failed in clinicals and
they may have recovered 3-4 million in the end. *How many groups would bet
$45 million if not a prospect of gaining 4-5x that amount in the end?

Hm.....

So, pharmaceutical companies do not exist in Brazil, Canada, Columbia,
Greenland, Mexico, Peru, Trinidand and Tobago, Bhutan, The People's
Republic of China, Hong Kong, India, Israel, Singapore, Taiwan,
Thailand, Denmark, Finland, Germany, Ireland, Italy, the Netherlands,
England, Northern Ireland, Scotland, Wales, Australia, New Zealand and
a host of other nations?

Pharmaceutical companies are not allowed to conduct research in
Brazil, Canada, Columbia, Greenland, Mexico, Peru, Trinidand and
Tobago, Bhutan, The People's Republic of China, Hong Kong, India,
Israel, Singapore, Taiwan, Thailand, Denmark, Finland, Germany,
Ireland, Italy, the Netherlands, England, Northern Ireland, Scotland,
Wales, Australia, New Zealand and a host of other nations?

Pharmaceutical companies are not allowed to distribute their products
in Brazil, Canada, Columbia, Greenland, Mexico, Peru, Trinidand and
Tobago, Bhutan, The People's Republic of China, Hong Kong, India,
Israel, Singapore, Taiwan, Thailand, Denmark, Finland, Germany,
Ireland, Italy, the Netherlands, England, Northern Ireland, Scotland,
Wales, Australia, New Zealand and a host of other nations?

Citizens are not allowed to invest in pharmaceutical companies in
Brazil, Canada, Columbia, Greenland, Mexico, Peru, Trinidand and
Tobago, Bhutan, The People's Republic of China, Hong Kong, India,
Israel, Singapore, Taiwan, Thailand, Denmark, Finland, Germany,
Ireland, Italy, the Netherlands, England, Northern Ireland, Scotland,
Wales, Australia, New Zealand and a host of other nations?

Medical institutions are not allowed to conduct business with or stock
products from pharmaceutical companies in Brazil, Canada, Columbia,
Greenland, Mexico, Peru, Trinidand and Tobago, Bhutan, The People's
Republic of China, Hong Kong, India, Israel, Singapore, Taiwan,
Thailand, Denmark, Finland, Germany, Ireland, Italy, the Netherlands,
England, Northern Ireland, Scotland, Wales, Australia, New Zealand and
a host of other nations?

Physicians are not allowed to prescribe medications developed, sold or
distributed by pharmaceutical companies in Brazil, Canada, Columbia,
Greenland, Mexico, Peru, Trinidand and Tobago, Bhutan, The People's
Republic of China, Hong Kong, India, Israel, Singapore, Taiwan,
Thailand, Denmark, Finland, Germany, Ireland, Italy, the Netherlands,
England, Northern Ireland, Scotland, Wales, Australia, New Zealand and
a host of other nations?

Pharmacies are not allowed to purchase, stock, sell or otherwise
distribute materials developed, sold or otherwise distributed by
pharmaceutical companies in Brazil, Canada, Columbia, Greenland,
Mexico, Peru, Trinidand and Tobago, Bhutan, The People's Republic of
China, Hong Kong, India, Israel, Singapore, Taiwan, Thailand, Denmark,
Finland, Germany, Ireland, Italy, the Netherlands, England, Northern
Ireland, Scotland, Wales, Australia, New Zealand and a host of other
nations?

And nobody told me?

Moron.

g.

Giles wrote:
On Feb 26, 10:57 pm, "CalifBill" wrote:
"jeff" wrote in message

...





Bill McKee wrote:
"Giles" wrote in message
...
On Feb 24, 1:12 pm, "Bill McKee" wrote:
...ways to lower costs. Number one is increase the supply of
doctors....
Hm.....
So, the number of doctors in America has been falling precipitously in
recent decades.....and nobody told me?
g.
always the last to know.
Reply:
Population growth and very controlled numbers of prospective doctors
admitted to med school. And if you can not make enough money to justify
the $200k+ to get through doctor school, there will be even less doctors
per person in the country.
there's an easy remedy on the cost of med school tuition...and i suspect
you can figure it out. look at what we do for (to) teachers...etc. yours
is a non-argument for continuing the insane profit driven health care
system we are condemned to have in this country for the middle and lower
socio-economic class (i.e., majority). there has to be a better way. i'm
all for a tax, a restructure, something that assures reasonable,
affordable health care for our citizens.
jeff
But those nice life extending drugs, and devices are developed because of
the profit motive. Last job I had was part of a Bio-med company developing
a cure for stage 1 incontinence in women. Investors poured $45,000,000 in
to the company. Problem was bad management, and we failed in clinicals and
they may have recovered 3-4 million in the end. How many groups would bet
$45 million if not a prospect of gaining 4-5x that amount in the end?

Hm.....

So, pharmaceutical companies do not exist in Brazil, Canada, Columbia,
Greenland, Mexico, Peru, Trinidand and Tobago, Bhutan, The People's
Republic of China, Hong Kong, India, Israel, Singapore, Taiwan,
Thailand, Denmark, Finland, Germany, Ireland, Italy, the Netherlands,
England, Northern Ireland, Scotland, Wales, Australia, New Zealand and
a host of other nations?

Pharmaceutical companies are not allowed to conduct research in
Brazil, Canada, Columbia, Greenland, Mexico, Peru, Trinidand and
Tobago, Bhutan, The People's Republic of China, Hong Kong, India,
Israel, Singapore, Taiwan, Thailand, Denmark, Finland, Germany,
Ireland, Italy, the Netherlands, England, Northern Ireland, Scotland,
Wales, Australia, New Zealand and a host of other nations?

Pharmaceutical companies are not allowed to distribute their products
in Brazil, Canada, Columbia, Greenland, Mexico, Peru, Trinidand and
Tobago, Bhutan, The People's Republic of China, Hong Kong, India,
Israel, Singapore, Taiwan, Thailand, Denmark, Finland, Germany,
Ireland, Italy, the Netherlands, England, Northern Ireland, Scotland,
Wales, Australia, New Zealand and a host of other nations?

Citizens are not allowed to invest in pharmaceutical companies in
Brazil, Canada, Columbia, Greenland, Mexico, Peru, Trinidand and
Tobago, Bhutan, The People's Republic of China, Hong Kong, India,
Israel, Singapore, Taiwan, Thailand, Denmark, Finland, Germany,
Ireland, Italy, the Netherlands, England, Northern Ireland, Scotland,
Wales, Australia, New Zealand and a host of other nations?

Medical institutions are not allowed to conduct business with or stock
products from pharmaceutical companies in Brazil, Canada, Columbia,
Greenland, Mexico, Peru, Trinidand and Tobago, Bhutan, The People's
Republic of China, Hong Kong, India, Israel, Singapore, Taiwan,
Thailand, Denmark, Finland, Germany, Ireland, Italy, the Netherlands,
England, Northern Ireland, Scotland, Wales, Australia, New Zealand and
a host of other nations?

Physicians are not allowed to prescribe medications developed, sold or
distributed by pharmaceutical companies in Brazil, Canada, Columbia,
Greenland, Mexico, Peru, Trinidand and Tobago, Bhutan, The People's
Republic of China, Hong Kong, India, Israel, Singapore, Taiwan,
Thailand, Denmark, Finland, Germany, Ireland, Italy, the Netherlands,
England, Northern Ireland, Scotland, Wales, Australia, New Zealand and
a host of other nations?

Pharmacies are not allowed to purchase, stock, sell or otherwise
distribute materials developed, sold or otherwise distributed by
pharmaceutical companies in Brazil, Canada, Columbia, Greenland,
Mexico, Peru, Trinidand and Tobago, Bhutan, The People's Republic of
China, Hong Kong, India, Israel, Singapore, Taiwan, Thailand, Denmark,
Finland, Germany, Ireland, Italy, the Netherlands, England, Northern
Ireland, Scotland, Wales, Australia, New Zealand and a host of other
nations?


should have read the thread before responding to califbill... i don't
know the answers (hell, i don't know the questions), but
profit-incentive as driving reasonable healthcare isn't on my solution list.

On Feb 27, 7:49*am, jeff wrote:


should have read the thread before responding to califbill... i don't
know the answers (hell, i don't know the questions), but
profit-incentive as driving reasonable healthcare isn't on my solution list.

My questions were directed toward califbill.

I haven't found anything to disagree with in your contributions to
this thread.....or most others, for that matter.

Well, not yet, anyway.

giles

CalifBill wrote:
"jeff" wrote in message
...
Bill McKee wrote:
"Giles" wrote in message
...
On Feb 24, 1:12 pm, "Bill McKee" wrote:

...ways to lower costs. Number one is increase the supply of
doctors....
Hm.....

So, the number of doctors in America has been falling precipitously in
recent decades.....and nobody told me?

g.
always the last to know.


Reply:
Population growth and very controlled numbers of prospective doctors
admitted to med school. And if you can not make enough money to justify
the $200k+ to get through doctor school, there will be even less doctors
per person in the country.
there's an easy remedy on the cost of med school tuition...and i suspect
you can figure it out. look at what we do for (to) teachers...etc. yours
is a non-argument for continuing the insane profit driven health care
system we are condemned to have in this country for the middle and lower
socio-economic class (i.e., majority). there has to be a better way. i'm
all for a tax, a restructure, something that assures reasonable,
affordable health care for our citizens.

jeff

But those nice life extending drugs, and devices are developed because of
the profit motive. Last job I had was part of a Bio-med company developing
a cure for stage 1 incontinence in women. Investors poured $45,000,000 in
to the company. Problem was bad management, and we failed in clinicals and
they may have recovered 3-4 million in the end. How many groups would bet
$45 million if not a prospect of gaining 4-5x that amount in the end?



so...i reckon they don't have that stuff in canada, uk, france?

jeff wrote:
CalifBill wrote:


But those nice life extending drugs, and devices are developed because
of the profit motive. Last job I had was part of a Bio-med company
developing a cure for stage 1 incontinence in women. Investors poured
$45,000,000 in to the company. Problem was bad management, and we
failed in clinicals and they may have recovered 3-4 million in the
end. How many groups would bet $45 million if not a prospect of
gaining 4-5x that amount in the end?


so...i reckon they don't have that stuff in canada, uk, france?

Potential side effects include heart attack, stroke, liver failure,
acne, erectile dysfunction, and anal leakage. If you experience any of
these symptoms consult your doctor.

I'm convinced that many, if not most, of these "life extending" drugs
are at best useless and at worst harmful -- especially the ones that are
touted in TV commercials.

--
Cut "to the chase" for my email address.

On Feb 27, 8:49*am, rw wrote:
jeff wrote:
CalifBill wrote:

But those nice life extending drugs, and devices are developed because
of the profit motive. *Last job I had was part of a Bio-med company
developing a cure for stage 1 incontinence in women. *Investors poured
$45,000,000 in to the company. *Problem was bad management, and we
failed in clinicals and they may have recovered 3-4 million in the
end. *How many groups would bet $45 million if not a prospect of
gaining 4-5x that amount in the end?

so...i reckon they don't have that stuff in canada, uk, france?

Potential side effects include heart attack, stroke, liver failure,
acne, erectile dysfunction, and anal leakage. If you experience any of
these symptoms consult your doctor.

I'm convinced that many, if not most, of these "life extending" drugs
are at best useless and at worst harmful -- especially the ones that are
touted in TV commercials.


Correlation (let alone causation) might be difficult to prove......but
it would be fun research. The trouble is coming up with funding; it
ain't likely the networks or the pharmaceutical company are gonna pony
up a few billion dollars for this one.

Meanwhile, I suspect there's a great deal more merit to the
proposition than anyone involved is likely to admit to. Without going
into a great deal of detail (which would take months to do justice to
and bore everyone to death) suffice it to say that public confidence
in the efficacy and safety of most modern drugs is more a matter of
faith, based on indoctrination, than of anything else.

giles

On Feb 27, 5:30*am, jeff wrote:
CalifBill wrote:
"jeff" wrote in message
t...
Bill McKee wrote:
"Giles" wrote in message
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On Feb 24, 1:12 pm, "Bill McKee" wrote:

...ways to lower costs. Number one is increase the supply of
doctors....
Hm.....

So, the number of doctors in America has been falling precipitously in
recent decades.....and nobody told me? * * * *

g.
always the last to know.

Reply:
Population growth and very controlled numbers of prospective doctors
admitted to med school. *And if you can not make enough money to justify
the $200k+ to get through doctor school, there will be even less doctors
per person in the country.
there's an easy remedy on the cost of med school tuition...and i suspect
you can figure it out. look at what we do for (to) teachers...etc. yours
is a non-argument for continuing the insane profit driven health care
system we are condemned to have in this country for the middle and lower
socio-economic class (i.e., majority). *there has to be a better way.. i'm
all for a tax, a restructure, something that assures reasonable,
affordable health care for our citizens.

jeff

But those nice life extending drugs, and devices are developed because of
the profit motive. *Last job I had was part of a Bio-med company developing
a cure for stage 1 incontinence in women. *Investors poured $45,000,000 in
to the company. *Problem was bad management, and we failed in clinicals and
they may have recovered 3-4 million in the end. *How many groups would bet
$45 million if not a prospect of gaining 4-5x that amount in the end?

so...i reckon they don't have that stuff in canada, uk, france?- Hide quoted text -

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Ah, but it is my understanding that most or ALL Lipitor, comes from
Ireland. A plant in Galway. I wonder if that is safe? ;+))
And who but thousands of capitalist stockholders and the finance
office of the Peoples Liberation Army, (newly empowered to make
campaign contributions by the US Supreme Court) would have come up
with the idea of raising leprecon clones to keep the labor costs down.
And if the odd clone doesn't work out? Tastes like chicken. Nuff said?

Dave
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