OT- political...only for republicans

On Aug 31, 6:55*am, Ken Fortenberry
wrote:
wrote:
jeff wrote:
"And where, in all of this, are the responsible Republicans, leaders who
will stand up and say that some partisans are going too far? Nowhere to
be found."

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/30/op...l?_r=1&src=me&...

Oh, OK...

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...10/08/26/AR201...

Where, in all of this, are the responsible adults, the Bill Bradleys, Bob Doles,
Pat Moynihans and Bill Buckleys...

I was with you right up until Bill Buckley, "responsible" is one of
the last words I'd ever use to describe Buckley. Reactionary works.

As for Krauthammer's pathetic whining it is to laugh. His premise
is that 60% of the American people cannot be racists or bigots.
That sounds like some of the same silly **** that comes from your
home planet. If you read Krauthammer regularly you know that he
himself is an Islamophobe and a religious bigot. He incites bigotry
and religious hatred in his columns so his whining on the subject
is like an arsonist complaining about the smell of smoke in the
neighborhood.

--
Ken Fortenberry

He is a very nasty person, has seen little of normal life or the
world, a shrink-too bigoted to be licenced anymore IMHO, an advocate
of ethnic cleansing, I believe history will show that he has been an
agent of a foreign government for at least 20 years. His rabid hatred
for Arabs and Muslims and non-whites is an increasing embarrassment.
The most bizarre irony is that he served in the Carter administration
and was a speech writer for Mondale.

I personally believe that his disablement and physical pain was a
major cause of his turn to hatred and bitterness. His association with
former Trotskyite communists- relabeled as "Neo Conservatives" is well
documented, as is his support and association with the American branch
of the Likud Party, the successor political branch of the fascist
terrorist group "Irgun/Stern Gang" which murdered hundreds of Arab
civilians and British citizens thru the 1940-50s.

David

On Aug 31, 1:46*pm, DaveS wrote:
On Aug 31, 6:55*am, Ken Fortenberry
wrote:



wrote:
jeff wrote:
"And where, in all of this, are the responsible Republicans, leaders who
will stand up and say that some partisans are going too far? Nowhere to
be found."

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/30/op...l?_r=1&src=me&...

Oh, OK...

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...10/08/26/AR201....

Where, in all of this, are the responsible adults, the Bill Bradleys, Bob Doles,
Pat Moynihans and Bill Buckleys...

I was with you right up until Bill Buckley, "responsible" is one of
the last words I'd ever use to describe Buckley. Reactionary works.

As for Krauthammer's pathetic whining it is to laugh. His premise
is that 60% of the American people cannot be racists or bigots.
That sounds like some of the same silly **** that comes from your
home planet. If you read Krauthammer regularly you know that he
himself is an Islamophobe and a religious bigot. He incites bigotry
and religious hatred in his columns so his whining on the subject
is like an arsonist complaining about the smell of smoke in the
neighborhood.

--
Ken Fortenberry

He is a very nasty person, has seen little of normal life or the
world, a shrink-too bigoted to be licenced anymore IMHO, an advocate
of ethnic cleansing, I believe history will show that he has been an
agent of a foreign government for at least 20 years. His rabid hatred
for Arabs and Muslims and non-whites is an increasing embarrassment.
The most bizarre irony is that he served in the Carter administration
and was a speech writer for Mondale.

I personally believe that his disablement and physical pain was a
major cause of his turn to hatred and bitterness. His association with
former Trotskyite communists- relabeled as "Neo Conservatives" is well
documented, as is his support and association with the American branch
of the Likud Party, the successor political branch of the fascist
terrorist group "Irgun/Stern Gang" which murdered hundreds of Arab
civilians and British citizens thru the 1940-50s.

....not to mention that school for mutant children he operates outside
Philly......

oz

On Aug 31, 3:28*am, D. LaCourse wrote:
On 2010-08-31 01:38:59 -0400, DaveS said:



And another thing, it is not nice to withhold food from people until
they repeat the hate Obama script. Just is not right. What if they
repeated the script in Spanish? Could they still get some of the food?
If they said they were ****ed at Obama in French would you give them a
bigger bag of food? Would you ever let an American born mechanic work
on your Fascist ****ing Kraut piece of ****? Why do you hate America
so much? No offence.

What the hell are you talking about, Dave? *I withhold food from no one
at the pantry. *I talk with them when they get their food. *I see them
once a month and get to know them over a period of time. *Even the ones
who can not speak English very well. *They expected more from Obama -
he promised them **** that he couldn't produce. *And, the new ones we
see, the not so newly unemployed who finally have to come in for
food/help are really ****ed at him. *If it's tough for those that are
working, think how it must be for those who are not, especially those
who have worked all their life and can't find a job at age 50.

I do not - repeat- do not listen to Limbaugh. *I am not a fan of his. *
I have watched Beck, but I do not fawn over him like you think. *He's a
talk jock. *Why are you so afraid of him? *He has no power.

Fascist Kraut? *I'm thinking more of the fascist auto worker and my government.

Why do YOU, of all people, hate America more than Fortenberry? *No
offence. *Really.

Dave

Uha huh. Why I just betcha that all those unemployed are just ****y
****y off-ed at that Obama fellow. Right you are right you are David.
And, without any egging on by you in your monthly walk ons they are
just bursting with irritation at that Obama fellow. And I bet they
don't say **** about your car fetish, why they must know just how
deserving they are of your scorn for American vehicles and American
workers. Bull****. And who do you think you are kidding about where
you get the lines you copy out? Really.

Like some folks who come from humble beginnings, you need somehow to
justify your success and really your luck, that your hard work and
good fortune paid off. Must be some reason right? Some attribute what
they cannot understand via linear thinking. Some attribute success to
religion, or to some slickster preacher. Some to wonder pills or
bizarre diet. Some just use the good ole American approach and blame
it on the Black guy.

What your team has going for it right now is AMNESIA. Period. All thru
the corruption, the stealing, the wasting of patriotic young Americans
you towed the party line. You would have made a loyal Bolshevik proud,
just from some of the bizarre double speak you used to explain away
the absolute mess and betrayal of this country orchestrated by the
Rightards. Now you are right there with the other hecklers. Shame on
you.

Dave

On Aug 31, 11:53*am, MajorOz wrote:
On Aug 31, 1:46*pm, DaveS wrote:





On Aug 31, 6:55*am, Ken Fortenberry
wrote:

wrote:
jeff wrote:
"And where, in all of this, are the responsible Republicans, leaders who
will stand up and say that some partisans are going too far? Nowhere to
be found."

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/30/op...l?_r=1&src=me&...

Oh, OK...

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...10/08/26/AR201...

Where, in all of this, are the responsible adults, the Bill Bradleys, Bob Doles,
Pat Moynihans and Bill Buckleys...

I was with you right up until Bill Buckley, "responsible" is one of
the last words I'd ever use to describe Buckley. Reactionary works.

As for Krauthammer's pathetic whining it is to laugh. His premise
is that 60% of the American people cannot be racists or bigots.
That sounds like some of the same silly **** that comes from your
home planet. If you read Krauthammer regularly you know that he
himself is an Islamophobe and a religious bigot. He incites bigotry
and religious hatred in his columns so his whining on the subject
is like an arsonist complaining about the smell of smoke in the
neighborhood.

--
Ken Fortenberry

He is a very nasty person, has seen little of normal life or the
world, a shrink-too bigoted to be licenced anymore IMHO, an advocate
of ethnic cleansing, I believe history will show that he has been an
agent of a foreign government for at least 20 years. His rabid hatred
for Arabs and Muslims and non-whites is an increasing embarrassment.
The most bizarre irony is that he served in the Carter administration
and was a speech writer for Mondale.

I personally believe that his disablement and physical pain was a
major cause of his turn to hatred and bitterness. His association with
former Trotskyite communists- relabeled as "Neo Conservatives" is well
documented, as is his support and association with the American branch
of the Likud Party, the successor political branch of the fascist
terrorist group "Irgun/Stern Gang" which murdered hundreds of Arab
civilians and British citizens thru the 1940-50s.

...not to mention that school for mutant children he operates outside
Philly......

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You are welcome to fact check what Ive posted.
Dave

On 2010-08-31 15:08:44 -0400, DaveS said:

On Aug 31, 3:28*am, D. LaCourse wrote:
On 2010-08-31 01:38:59 -0400, DaveS said:



And another thing, it is not nice to withhold food from people until
they repeat the hate Obama script. Just is not right. What if they
repeated the script in Spanish? Could they still get some of the food?
If they said they were ****ed at Obama in French would you give them a
bigger bag of food? Would you ever let an American born mechanic work
on your Fascist ****ing Kraut piece of ****? Why do you hate America
so much? No offence.

What the hell are you talking about, Dave? *I withhold food from no one
at the pantry. *I talk with them when they get their food. *I see the
m
once a month and get to know them over a period of time. *Even the ones
who can not speak English very well. *They expected more from Obama -
he promised them **** that he couldn't produce. *And, the new ones we
see, the not so newly unemployed who finally have to come in for
food/help are really ****ed at him. *If it's tough for those that are
working, think how it must be for those who are not, especially those
who have worked all their life and can't find a job at age 50.

I do not - repeat- do not listen to Limbaugh. *I am not a fan of his.
*
I have watched Beck, but I do not fawn over him like you think. *He's a
talk jock. *Why are you so afraid of him? *He has no power.

Fascist Kraut? *I'm thinking more of the fascist auto worker and my gov
ernment.

Why do YOU, of all people, hate America more than Fortenberry? *No
offence. *Really.

Dave

Uha huh. Why I just betcha that all those unemployed are just ****y
****y off-ed at that Obama fellow.

They are ****ed at their country. They have fallen through the crack
through no fault of their own. They *were* the working poor. Now they
are the unemployed poor and the fool in DC has done nothing for them.
Now, if they were members of the AFL/CIO or SEIU or Acorn, they would
be happy. But, they aren't. They're just hard working parents like my
parents were and for the first time in their life they are without
work. They got raises through the merit system, not by corruption.

Obama's name never comes into the conversation. Sit in your palace
Dave, and fiddle. We served 53 families today, well over 150 people,
with enough food for a week. We have very little meat for them - only
what is donated by the local markets. FDA supplies have been
drastically cut. We have three empty freezers and two filled with FDA
blueberries. Blueberries! Our two stand-up double fridges are filled
with FDA cheese and deli items donated by the local markets.
Blueberries and cheese. That's it from you precious fool in the WH. We
have never seen such hard times. We have plenty of can goods/cereal
that we buy at a great discount, and fruits/veggies left over from
supermarkets, but very little federal support. Why, I wonder. Could
it be that a lot of our money has gone to the unions and SEIU? Didn't
we just spend a trillion bucks to "stimulate" the economy? Tell ya
what, Dave - there are few in Lowell, Mass who are "stimulated."

Right you are right you are David.
And, without any egging on by you in your monthly walk ons they are
just bursting with irritation at that Obama fellow.

Obama's name doesnt come into the conversation. They are ****ed at
what this country has become, and it sure as hell isn't their fauls.

And I bet they
don't say **** about your car fetish, why they must know just how
deserving they are of your scorn for American vehicles and American
workers.

Yeah, sure. I've owned the same care for the past 8 years. I've never
had an American car last *me* more than 3 years. You do the math. I
admit - I like fast cars and I find the time to take my car at least
once a month to the track. That's a fetish? ****, what is my fly
fishing?

Bull****. And who do you think you are kidding about where
you get the lines you copy out? Really.

Like some folks who come from humble beginnings, you need somehow to
justify your success and really your luck, that your hard work and
good fortune paid off. Must be some reason right? Some attribute what
they cannot understand via linear thinking. Some attribute success to
religion, or to some slickster preacher. Some to wonder pills or
bizarre diet. Some just use the good ole American approach and blame
it on the Black guy.

Huh? My success is through hard work and the idea planted by my
parents to save and prepare for later in life. I was fortunate to be
employed full time since highschool until my retirements (3 of them).
I never needed or expected a hand out and no one offered me one. I am
now reaping the benefits of that planning, all that saving, and dare I
say extra jobs while I was in the Navy. So, **** you very much if I am
successful.

What your team has going for it right now is AMNESIA. Period. All thru
the corruption, the stealing, the wasting of patriotic young Americans
you towed the party line.

What the hell is going on NOW? Are you blind? You can't see or hear?
The past two years will go down in history as the "spend like a drunken
sailor" period.

You would have made a loyal Bolshevik proud,
just from some of the bizarre double speak you used to explain away
the absolute mess and betrayal of this country orchestrated by the
Rightards. Now you are right there with the other hecklers.

I am sure the Republicans have done their fare share of screwing up.
That is a given. No argument from me about that. Everyone is DC is
corrupt. THAT is what Beck's rally was about. He is trying to restore
faith, hope, and charity (love) in this society. Listen to the hate
speech from commentators on the "major" networks, and then listen to
what went on during his rally. There was a lot of prayer, but no hate
that I heard. They were called vile names, but did not reply. DR.
MLK's neice was there praising what they were trying to do. I guess it
just went over your head, what with it being so big, can you imagine
the power involved.

Shame on
you.

No, David, shame on you for not seeing the huckster your savior in the
White House is. Shame on you for voting for him when he had no
credentials for POTUS. Shame on your and all other progressives for
allowing Nancy and Harry to perform a shotgun wedding on healthcare
when more than 60% of the population did not want what they were
selling, or should I say stealing? Shame on you for allowing them to
spend more in 18 months than all the money EVER spent my government.
Shame on you for not saying anything about Chris Dodd and Barney
Frank's involvement with Fannie and Freddy. Shame on you for sitting in
your ivory tower fiddling and doing nothing. And shame on ALL of us
for letting it continue.

Dave

In what was one of the most depressing posts I've read here in all my years:
"Frank Reid © 2010" wrote in message
...
On Aug 30, 5:04 pm, jeff wrote:
We have a resurgence of the power of the labor unions, such as SEIU,
with government support. I had never heard of either ACORN or SEIU
till 3 years ago and now they have incredible power with the requisite
abuse.

while I'd agree that sometimes labor unions overplay their representation, I
have trouble seeing the current situation as any sort of resurgence. The
fact that
YOU haven't heard of Service Employees International, or ACORN(not a
union whatsoever) doesn't mean that they haven't been out there for years,
doing a solid job of representing workers who were for years vastly
underpaid,
and trying to provide liveable housing for the poor. The fact that you
suddenly
DID hear of them in the past 3 years is directly attributed to ideological
smear campaigns targetting both.

The rise in government workers is another thing that is scaring me.
More and more folks in the government and we all know that the most
costly thing in any business is the manpower. Who's going to pay for
this?

This has to be the most bizarre part of your entire post, Frank. What,
exactly
do you think is the source of pay for your employer? You might describe it
as 'private sector', but you represent quite possibly the most exhorbitant,
runaway expense our government faces: 'Private contractors' for the defense
and National security sector. Eisenhower warned the nation in the 50s about
a military/industrial complex and the dangers thereof, yet we, as a nation,
chose to ignore him. Now we have 1/2 of the defense budget which isn't
even subject to Congressional oversight, nor any public review of the
numbers.
This equates to 1/4 of the entire Federal budget. I read a treatise a few
months
back about the rise of secrecy, security and related expenditures since the
Manhatten Project, with the general premise that the exponential rise in the
complexity and cost of what amounts to a shadow government will eventually
bankrupt the US. You might do well to focus there, my friend, if the rise in
the
costs of government frightens you. Or, as Walt Kelly once put it, "we have
met
the enemy and he is us".


A few years ago, I was termed a "liberal." Now I'm considered right
wing. Why? I'm retired military so I must be some right wing nut.

in all the years I've known you, such thoughts never crossed my mind....
until this morning.

I'm so sick and tired of "big corporations and
banks are bad." Bull. They happen to make a lot of the useless crap
we buy. They employ tons of people.

increasingly, people in far off lands, but you do have a point, I think....

Bottom line is this: we've gotten so far off the tracks over the past 3
decades that
NO ONE is going to fix it fast, if at all. The point you make at the end
about
squabbling extremes is well taken. It is just that squabbling that allows
the control
to rest with the exact same folks that have sort of controlled things for,
say, the
past couple of centuries, to keep raking it in at the expense of most of the
rest of
the nation. Meanwhile the nation keeps polarizing, but I see that in two
different fashions.
Sure, the political polarization is obvious, but look at the economic trends
of the
past 30 or more years. A small percentage of folks is pulling further and
further away
from the rest. Eventually, you end up with an oligarchy, or worse. With
pressure from
some of those toward the top end for less government and less taxation, say
goodbye
to infrastructure, say goodbye to social safety nets and minimal medical
assistance to
all. It'll be just like the good old days, except with even less domestic
employment,
as we can build the sweatshops elsewhere and those collecting the dividends
will be
just as well off as ever.


Tom

On 2010-08-31 14:46:05 -0400, DaveS said:

On Aug 31, 6:55*am, Ken Fortenberry
wrote:
wrote:
jeff wrote:
"And where, in all of this, are the responsible Republicans, leaders w
ho
will stand up and say that some partisans are going too far? Nowhere t
o
be found."

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/30/op...tml?_r=1&src=m
e&...

Oh, OK...

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...10/08/26/AR201...

Where, in all of this, are the responsible adults, the Bill Bradleys, B
ob Doles,
Pat Moynihans and Bill Buckleys...

I was with you right up until Bill Buckley, "responsible" is one of
the last words I'd ever use to describe Buckley. Reactionary works.

As for Krauthammer's pathetic whining it is to laugh. His premise
is that 60% of the American people cannot be racists or bigots.
That sounds like some of the same silly **** that comes from your
home planet. If you read Krauthammer regularly you know that he
himself is an Islamophobe and a religious bigot. He incites bigotry
and religious hatred in his columns so his whining on the subject
is like an arsonist complaining about the smell of smoke in the
neighborhood.

--
Ken Fortenberry

He is a very nasty person, has seen little of normal life or the
world, a shrink-too bigoted to be licenced anymore IMHO, an advocate
of ethnic cleansing, I believe history will show that he has been an
agent of a foreign government for at least 20 years. His rabid hatred
for Arabs and Muslims and non-whites is an increasing embarrassment.
The most bizarre irony is that he served in the Carter administration
and was a speech writer for Mondale.

I personally believe that his disablement and physical pain was a
major cause of his turn to hatred and bitterness. His association with
former Trotskyite communists- relabeled as "Neo Conservatives" is well
documented, as is his support and association with the American branch
of the Likud Party, the successor political branch of the fascist
terrorist group "Irgun/Stern Gang" which murdered hundreds of Arab
civilians and British citizens thru the 1940-50s.

David

Oh, my gawd. The sky is falling. The sky is falling.

On 2010-08-31 14:53:10 -0400, MajorOz said:

On Aug 31, 1:46*pm, DaveS wrote:
On Aug 31, 6:55*am, Ken Fortenberry
wrote:



wrote:
jeff wrote:
"And where, in all of this, are the responsible Republicans, leaders
who
will stand up and say that some partisans are going too far? Nowhere
to
be found."

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/30/op....html?_r=1&src
=me&...

Oh, OK...

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...10/08/26/AR201.
..

Where, in all of this, are the responsible adults, the Bill Bradleys,
Bob Doles,
Pat Moynihans and Bill Buckleys...

I was with you right up until Bill Buckley, "responsible" is one of
the last words I'd ever use to describe Buckley. Reactionary works.

As for Krauthammer's pathetic whining it is to laugh. His premise
is that 60% of the American people cannot be racists or bigots.
That sounds like some of the same silly **** that comes from your
home planet. If you read Krauthammer regularly you know that he
himself is an Islamophobe and a religious bigot. He incites bigotry
and religious hatred in his columns so his whining on the subject
is like an arsonist complaining about the smell of smoke in the
neighborhood.

--
Ken Fortenberry

He is a very nasty person, has seen little of normal life or the
world, a shrink-too bigoted to be licenced anymore IMHO, an advocate
of ethnic cleansing, I believe history will show that he has been an
agent of a foreign government for at least 20 years. His rabid hatred
for Arabs and Muslims and non-whites is an increasing embarrassment.
The most bizarre irony is that he served in the Carter administration
and was a speech writer for Mondale.

I personally believe that his disablement and physical pain was a
major cause of his turn to hatred and bitterness. His association with
former Trotskyite communists- relabeled as "Neo Conservatives" is well
documented, as is his support and association with the American branch
of the Likud Party, the successor political branch of the fascist
terrorist group "Irgun/Stern Gang" which murdered hundreds of Arab
civilians and British citizens thru the 1940-50s.

...not to mention that school for mutant children he operates outside
Philly......

oz

snort, chortle, pfttttttt all over my keyboard.

Dave

"--riverman" wrote in message
...
We may not be the most edumacated country on earth, but we certainly
are the most entertained.

--riverman

sort of my point, and it's one I have raised in political talks to various
groups for years now. The whole principle of governance laid out for this
nation, and elaborated upon frequently by Jefferson was this: A
representative republic depends on the involvement of an informed populace
with some level of education. We now live in a nation where vastly more of
the eligible electorate can identify the American Idol finalists than the
Justices of the Supreme Court. Where most folks know who Paris Hilton is,
but not who their US Representative is. A nation where an astounding 20%
think the sitting President is a practicing Muslim and 10% think he isn't
even a legal citizen. Is it any wonder that we have the political
representation we do?
All in all, I shudder when I give thought to the path this country is headed
down. It seems clear that we are heading to the oblivion of a fallen empire,
and pretty damned quickly. Can it turn around? Who knows? But, the issue
Jeff cites in the original post in this thread, as stated by Krugman, should
have an obvious response. No, no one is going to step forward, because so
few will care or take notice that it isn't worth the bother to try.
Tom

On Tue, 31 Aug 2010 06:43:04 -0400, jeff wrote:

On 8/31/2010 12:56 AM, wrote:
On Mon, 30 Aug 2010 18:04:53 -0400, wrote:

"And where, in all of this, are the responsible Republicans, leaders who
will stand up and say that some partisans are going too far? Nowhere to
be found."

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/30/op...e&ref=homepage

Oh, OK...

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...wpisrc=nl_most

Where, in all of this, are the responsible adults, the Bill Bradleys, Bob Doles,
Pat Moynihans and Bill Buckleys...

...or Thomas Jefferson and John Adams...

HTH,
R

ck's op/ed column is a regular in my eastern nc papers, so i've read
that one. he's an oddity to me. a brilliant guy, once hard to peg, but
now, like many, too predictable. he generally makes a reasoned argument,
though always from the "conservative", sometimes neo, point of view that
never allows anything other than an adversarial argument against
anything and all things obama. in contrast, if read to its end,
krugman's piece is critical of obama...as have been other of his writings.

still, i think ck and many others are usually off the mark about obama,
but strategically and for election and/or partisan purposes use him as
the easy focus for their larger debate or proselytizing.

this ck piece isn't about the idiots like beck and the foxwits who
foment their particular lunacy to our fahrenheit 451 population, and it
doesn't answer the question posed, does it? but then, you didn't intend
it to serve that purpose did you?

since the ck piece doesn't answer my question...nor does your question,
though i get the point. again...

"And where, in all of this, are the **responsible Republicans**,
**leaders** who will stand up and say that **some partisans** are going
too far?"

Name these "partisans" and define "too far." I'm not saying I agree with
whoever all you and Krugman have in mind, nor do I say that I disagree with
them, but since Krugman only mentions, specifically, Limbaugh, the Kochs, and
Steve Schwarzman (but fails to mention Soros, etc. on "the Left"), and then,
only a single phrase uttered by Limbaugh and a paraphrasing of a single phrase
by Schwarzman, it's kinda hard to pinpoint just who you and he want these,
"**leaders**" (again, unnamed, save for Bush) to chastise (or muzzle). I did
notice in both pieces that Krugman and Krauthammer extensively use all-inclusive
and ill-defined plurals (the good ol' "we" and "they") in their accusations.

The problem, as I see it, is that neither "liberalism" or "conservatism" have
failed, but rather, the "labels" have been appropriated by many who don't have a
clue (and worse, a care) of what _any_ of it actually means. And this includes
those who claim to be "liberals" using "conservative" as a slur and vice-versa.

Both classical liberalism and "modern" liberalism have some good ideas as well
as some great _ideals_, that, unfortunately, simply won't work in current
society, and the same is true of conservatism. Unfortunately, it appears that
the vast majority of the squeakiest wheels claiming title to one and
condescendingly slurring with the other have no clue or care about such.

These folks have simply used, ahem, "talking points" that they don't truly
understand, about issues they don't really care, to further their own _personal_
desires for what they perceive as "power," "fame," personal "wealth," reelection
for reelection's sake, etc. The US has created a society in which a large
portion of the population, on all levels, presumes itself somehow entitled, from
the multi-generational welfare "clients" to the Paris Hiltons and Lindsay Lohans
who presume themselves entitled to act in any fashion to the Obamas, Limbaughs,
Axelrods, Becks, etc., who presume that they are somehow, for some unexplained
reason, _entitled_ to be not only _correct_ in their opinions at all times, but
have the right to dictate what's correct for others.

One need look no further than the housing market - the idea that _everyone_ is
_entitled_ to _owning_ a home is ridiculous, and the idea that _anyone_ is
_entitled_ to granite counters, high-end cabinets, 3 1/2 bathrooms, and a 2-car
garage (much less 2 cars) is totally preposterous. Hell, in many cities in the
US, buying and "fixing up" what were originally "starter homes" is/was a popular
fad among relatively affluent, generally younger, people. Many millionaires
live in (comparatively) small urban apartments. Yet, somehow, many of those
with $30-40K yearly incomes have come to believe they are _entitled_ to
3,000-plus SF (and larger) homes with all sorts of "upgrades."

Until the wholesale "entitlement" problem (and no, I do not mean things like
milk for kids or food and shelter for those who legitimately cannot provide, all
or in part, for themselves) is addressed, throwing more and more money into the
pit will not ever fill it up because it too many folks are shoveling just as
fast as they ****ing can.

TC,
R

jeff