TR: Bull Trout Presentation

Jeff Miller wrote:
diadromous = live in ocean, spawn in fresh (anadromous) *or* live in
fresh water, spawn in ocean (catadromous)...doesn't seem to fit.

amphidromous = moving from normal fresh or salt to the other water to
eat or survive drought but not to procreate. perhaps?

??

That's a new word for me, it sounds about right, I'd need to understand
when it's used, but I think that it probably applies more to cutthroat
and Dolly Varden with their sneaking in and out of the estuaries. Bull
trout use reservoirs like salmon use the ocean, they move out at a
tender age, and come back for sex. The Bulls in the Hoh seem to
include both amphidromous and anadromous fish.

Thanks

Chas
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Jeff Miller wrote:
actually... some of us fished with chas and his wife on a fine
grayling
lake in montana. chas and his wife had the good sense not to carry a
boat up the mountain and to fish from the banks, catching as many
grayling as those of us with blue balls kicking about in the
water...(guess which idiot wore shorts in a float tube). chas' wife
was
most enthusiastic while catching those grayling jewels... lots of fun
and good company ....

jeff

bruiser wrote:

Great Stuff Chas.

If any of you get the chance to fish with Chas you'll find out that
he's
even friendlier and more enthusiastic in person. I know that it
doesn't
seem possible but it's true.

bruce h


Thanks guys, it was great fishing with you in Montana and New Mexico.
The guys who don't go to claves are really missing the best part of
ROFF.

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A couple things to add, that I just remembered. They have been looking
for the Bull Trout in the tributary streams, but haven't found any of
them up there. They seem to stay in the main river, or go out to sea.

I went back to the Hoh today, on my son Andy's advice. He was out
there yesterday and caught 5 steelhead. The biggest was 35 inches and
"so fat it wallowed away when released". I couldn't find his hot spot
today, but I did catch a 10 pounder and a 5 pounder, and a 20 inch Bull
Trout (still none with the radio tag in it). It was a 4 hour drive
over there, 8 hours of fishing, and a 4 hour drive home. Well worth
the trip.


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Willi wrote:


Chas Wade wrote:
I'm taking off in the morning for the Hoh, so this will be short,
but
hit on the main points of last night's presentation in Port Angeles.


These posts are great Chas.

Thanks Willi, it's been a lot of fun learning about these fish. Quite
a surprise to learn that what we were calling Dollies are actually Bull
Trout. It was also great to watch Sam and Steve give the presentation.
Their enthusiasm for their work is contagous.

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mcphee used these words in his shad book...he was hanging around with
fish scientists, so i assume they are correct terms. i'd only read
about anadromous fish before mcphee's book. he offers a lot of
interesting fish science for the casual reader. but...i was surprised
none of his recipes included deep-frying. i doubt many in eastern nc
would eat baked or broiled shad - properly breaded and deep-fried (after
scoring the filet) is the best method of cooking the bony alosa
sapidissima... and, i'd recommend doing it outside, unless your family
really, really likes a fish scented home.

jeff

Chas Wade wrote:

Jeff Miller wrote:

diadromous = live in ocean, spawn in fresh (anadromous) *or* live in
fresh water, spawn in ocean (catadromous)...doesn't seem to fit.

amphidromous = moving from normal fresh or salt to the other water to
eat or survive drought but not to procreate. perhaps?

??


That's a new word for me, it sounds about right, I'd need to understand
when it's used, but I think that it probably applies more to cutthroat
and Dolly Varden with their sneaking in and out of the estuaries. Bull
trout use reservoirs like salmon use the ocean, they move out at a
tender age, and come back for sex. The Bulls in the Hoh seem to
include both amphidromous and anadromous fish.

Thanks

Chas
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Jeff Miller wrote:
mcphee used these words in his shad book...he was hanging around with
fish scientists, so i assume they are correct terms. i'd only read
about anadromous fish before mcphee's book. he offers a lot of
interesting fish science for the casual reader. but...i was surprised
none of his recipes included deep-frying. i doubt many in eastern nc
would eat baked or broiled shad - properly breaded and deep-fried (after
scoring the filet) is the best method of cooking the bony alosa
sapidissima... and, i'd recommend doing it outside, unless your family
really, really likes a fish scented home.

I really like shad roe, and I buy it and cook it whenever I can find it,
which isn't often. When I was growing up in Baltimore it was plentiful
and cheap.

I fry it in bacon grease. If you try it, make sure you put a wire screen
over the frying pan, or you'll make one helluva mess. Those eggs explode
like little grease bombs. This probably isn't the best dish for someone
with cholesterol problems. :-)

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