Fox hunt ban Efeect on coarse fishing

Not that I am a fan of Fox Hunting but now the anti hunt brigade have go
their way.

What's next?

Protesters are like freedom fighters once they have felt the frill of
victory many will look for a new cause.

So what's next in line.

Fishing for sport!

It may be a difficult argument to defend Fishing against the same arguments
used by the anti hunting campaigners.

Sparky

Exactly the problem I foresee. Where does it stop?

Is keeping a pet cruel? Surely it should be let roam free in its
natural environment, anything less is almost certainly animal
cruelty.

Whenever I see these anti-hunts/anti-vivisection etc people
protesting on the streets, they always seem to have a mangy
old dog with them - why is that ?!

Matt.

"Sparky AKA_Sparkticus" wrote in
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Not that I am a fan of Fox Hunting but now the anti hunt brigade have go
their way.

What's next?

Protesters are like freedom fighters once they have felt the frill of
victory many will look for a new cause.

So what's next in line.

Fishing for sport!

It may be a difficult argument to defend Fishing against the same
arguments
used by the anti hunting campaigners.

Sparky

The antis will not bother with fishermen
most off us carry knives!!!

My dogs not mangy thou

They have mangy dogs as most of then are pikies

Most dogs would not survive if left to roam free, and who will pick up there
poo!

I think the anti's should go after bird keepers

"Matthew Maddock" wrote in message
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Exactly the problem I foresee. Where does it stop?

Is keeping a pet cruel? Surely it should be let roam free in its
natural environment, anything less is almost certainly animal
cruelty.

Whenever I see these anti-hunts/anti-vivisection etc people
protesting on the streets, they always seem to have a mangy
old dog with them - why is that ?!

Matt.

"Sparky AKA_Sparkticus" wrote in
message ...
Not that I am a fan of Fox Hunting but now the anti hunt brigade have go
their way.

What's next?

Protesters are like freedom fighters once they have felt the frill of
victory many will look for a new cause.

So what's next in line.

Fishing for sport!

It may be a difficult argument to defend Fishing against the same
arguments
used by the anti hunting campaigners.

Sparky

In article ,
Sparky AKA_Sparkticus k wrote:
Not that I am a fan of Fox Hunting but now the anti hunt brigade have go
their way.

What's next?

Protesters are like freedom fighters once they have felt the frill of
victory many will look for a new cause.

So what's next in line.

Fishing for sport!

It may be a difficult argument to defend Fishing against the same arguments
used by the anti hunting campaigners.

Coarse fishing especially. Look at the German situation :-(

Notice how HMG is busy announcing easier cormorant culling rules and
sea-fishing licences to finance inshore protection - just to show they 'care'
about anglers.

Funny how it happens to co-incide with the climax of the hunting debate, at
a time when they -really- don't want 4 million anglers joining in...

If on nothing other than the Niemoller principle it's time to support the
hunters. They are merely the easiest target. The anti's have shooting and
coarse fishing at the top of their lists and without the hunters in the
front line we're gonna get the lot :-(

Oh, in case anyone hadn't noticed I've been away (Sea fishing, Ireland. So
OT here.) All posts in my name in the last ten days have been forgeries by
Pete the Troll.

Cheerio,

--

Mind after listening to all the political after vote discussions, I realise
i was mistaken the issue was not Poor ole fox's but lets stick to the
poshies.


So us fishermen & women ( I know of two) have liltle to worry about. I can't
see the red Flag wavers going for ****ing on the working class.

But I would be very worried if The Cons get the vote next time round
(revenge being a dish best served cold)...

Sparky

Insert commentators after political .
oops my bad.

Sparky AKA_Sparkticus wrote:
:: Mind after listening to all the political after vote discussions,
:: I realise i was mistaken the issue was not Poor ole fox's but lets
:: stick to the poshies.
::
The antis don't give a flying fook about foxes - just as many, if not more
will die after this ban - they are interested in class war, and getting one
over on the lords and ladies.

::
:: So us fishermen & women ( I know of two) have liltle to worry
:: about. I can't see the red Flag wavers going for ****ing on the
:: working class.
::
Believe it...this piece of legislation is a 'test case' if you like, the
floodgates are well and truly flung wide open now.

:: But I would be very worried if The Cons get the vote next time
:: round (revenge being a dish best served cold)...
::
:: Sparky

It won't make a difference who gets the vote, just look at the undemocratic
way this piece of legislation was brought in...Tony tells his cohorts which
way to vote and they all have to go along with it or get the chop...if this
is democracy, I'll show my arse....votes of this nature should be secret IE,
no one knows who has voted for or against - at least 80% would have voted
against, if they had a choice.

In article , Phil L
wrote:
Sparky AKA_Sparkticus wrote:
:: Mind after listening to all the political after vote discussions,
:: I realise i was mistaken the issue was not Poor ole fox's but lets
:: stick to the poshies.
::
The antis don't give a flying fook about foxes - just as many, if not more
will die after this ban - they are interested in class war, and getting one
over on the lords and ladies.

Ironically very few of the left's imagined targets will be affected. Those
with money will merely holiday in Ireland, France, the USA or one of the
many other countries where hunting with hounds continues. (We still get
hunting tourists coming here to experience hunting English style but that
little industry will die too.)

Outside a day's drive from London the bulk of hunters are relatively
low-income types who might otherwise have been expected to be Labour voters.
(A hunt subscription costs about as much as a football season ticket.)
Even if you are one of the relatively few that ride to hounds rather than
following on foot a horse doesn't cost a great deal to keep -if- you have
access to grazing (notice how many little girls keep a pony on pocket money
even in cities.)

:: So us fishermen & women ( I know of two) have liltle to worry

I know several - though they tend to be game & sea fishers.

:: about. I can't see the red Flag wavers going for ****ing on the
:: working class.

I don't think they know who they are affecting. By far the greater numbers
of hunters and shooters are working class. Anglers, if anything, include a
greater proportion of middle and upper classes. The great thing about all
the field sports is that once you have the basics the lord, the bank manager
and the dustman are pretty much equal and meet on equal terms though they
probably don't know each other's backgrounds.

Believe it...this piece of legislation is a 'test case' if you like, the
floodgates are well and truly flung wide open now.

It is. The antis are delighted. They have this one through on
misinformation and predjudice. Now, using it as a precedent they can attack
all sorts of other targets that were previously too hard to crack - ie. us.

:: But I would be very worried if The Cons get the vote next time
:: round (revenge being a dish best served cold)...

I sincerely hope the Conservatives are elected next time. I want to be able
to fish undisturbed for the rest of my life. I don't hunt btw, though I
know several who do and I'm very glad we haven't, so far, been harrassed the
way they have.

It won't make a difference who gets the vote, just look at the undemocratic
way this piece of legislation was brought in...Tony tells his cohorts which
way to vote and they all have to go along with it or get the chop...if this

He didn't tell them. He knew it would be trouble but he couldn't stop it so
he played with the timing.

IF it passes or bypasses the Lords as is, it will take effect in the new
year. The proverbial will hit the fan just as we hit the run-up to the next
general election.

Teflon Tony doesn't want hounds and horses being shot or handed over to the
RSPCA who will also have to kill them (they make lousy pets) just as he's
asking for your vote. He doesn't want farmers dumping dumping dead or dying
livestock at the same time. (The hunts take 'fallen' stock for nothing and
dispose of it legally and hygenically. The alternative government scheme
isn't running properly yet and costs a lot more than the animal is worth.
It is no longer legal to bury livestock on the farm. Deadstock cannot be
trasported to an incinerator except by a licenced hazardous waste
transporter who must take special precautions, the incinerator will
charge.)

So alongside the bill is another to delay it's implementation for two years.
The delay cannot be made part of the hunting bill itself or it wouldn't be
possible to bypass the Lords. The delay puts all these unpleasant scenes
safely into the next parliament when the PM hopes to smother them beneath
other pressing news.

The delay doesn't affect hare coursing btw: But then the bulk of hare
coursing is already illegal - the antis never seem to tangle with the
city-based coursing gangs that break gates and trespass on farmland to 'try'
their dogs.

Cheerio,

--

Exactly the problem I foresee. Where does it stop?

Is keeping a pet cruel? Surely it should be let roam free in its
natural environment, anything less is almost certainly animal
cruelty.

Whenever I see these anti-hunts/anti-vivisection etc people
protesting on the streets, they always seem to have a mangy
old dog with them - why is that ?!

Matt.

"Sparky AKA_Sparkticus" wrote in
message ...
Not that I am a fan of Fox Hunting but now the anti hunt brigade have go
their way.

What's next?

Protesters are like freedom fighters once they have felt the frill of
victory many will look for a new cause.

So what's next in line.

Fishing for sport!

It may be a difficult argument to defend Fishing against the same
arguments
used by the anti hunting campaigners.

Sparky