fly line taper

I fish two or three places, Hebgen gulpers, Davis Lake damsel hatch, and
others similar, where I have yet to feel I've "solved" the casting
requirements of the situation. Specifically, you have a long line out on
the water and want to pick it up and lay it down quickly in a new direction
to cover a riser that has cruised into range. All stripping in of line to
get to the 'head," and false casting use up valuable time ..... cover
these fish quickly and you've got him ... take a while and you probably
guessed wrong on where he was headed. I need to be able to pick up a long
floating line off a stillwater and maximize my minimal abilities doing so.

My question, as my post season tackle check shows my lake floating line
cracked and ready for replacement, is there a specialty taper available that
will help in this situation?

For kickboating stillwaters, I, usually, fish an 25++ year old Scott 10ft
5wt that is lovely for the work, in general, and I have a wide variety of
lines for it. But it's rather slow in action ... maybe one of the 'modern'
broomstick rods would be best for this special situation? I doubt I'll
invest in a special rod, but if I did, what 5wt rod would be best, period ?
best for the buck? is the TFO 5wt TICR suitable?

"Larry L" wrote in message
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My question, as my post season tackle check shows my lake floating line
cracked and ready for replacement, is there a specialty taper available
that
will help in this situation?

try a wulff triangle taper or one of the slick coated distance lines, both
SA and Rio sell them, Cortland probably does too.


For kickboating stillwaters, I, usually, fish an 25++ year old Scott 10ft
5wt that is lovely for the work, in general, and I have a wide variety of
lines for it. But it's rather slow in action ... maybe one of the
'modern'
broomstick rods would be best for this special situation?
I doubt I'll
invest in a special rod, but if I did, what 5wt rod would be best, period
?

they are not broomstick rods but they are fast action, Sage XP, Winston
Boron IIx

best for the buck? is the TFO 5wt TICR suitable?

Only you can answer what is best for your buck and I don't know about the
TFO series aside from seeing them on the rack in a few shops.

"Larry L" wrote:

My question, as my post season tackle check shows my lake floating
line
cracked and ready for replacement, is there a specialty taper
available that
will help in this situation?


You might consider a steelhead taper. It has a long belly, you can do
a sort of roll to lift the line, back cast, and send it wherever you
want directly. The long bellymakes it possible to do what I think the
spey guys call a snake roll with 50 feet of line out. A little
practice, and you can cast accurately 70 feet out at a 90 degree angle
to the last cast. I don't think the rod is a key here, it wortks for
me with a Sage LL 3wt, and a GLoomis GLX 6wt. In fact it works with
the 3wt line in the 6wt rod when you forget to bring the right reel.

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Chas Wade wrote:
"Larry L" wrote:

My question, as my post season tackle check shows my lake floating
line
cracked and ready for replacement, is there a specialty taper
available that
will help in this situation?



You might consider a steelhead taper. It has a long belly, you can do
a sort of roll to lift the line, back cast, and send it wherever you
want directly. The long bellymakes it possible to do what I think the
spey guys call a snake roll with 50 feet of line out. A little
practice, and you can cast accurately 70 feet out at a 90 degree angle
to the last cast. I don't think the rod is a key here, it wortks for
me with a Sage LL 3wt, and a GLoomis GLX 6wt. In fact it works with
the 3wt line in the 6wt rod when you forget to bring the right reel.


Yeah but you can cast a kite string with a broomstick.

Willi

Willi & Sue wrote:
Chas Wade wrote:
"Larry L" wrote:

My question, as my post season tackle check shows my lake floating
line
cracked and ready for replacement, is there a specialty taper
available that
will help in this situation?



You might consider a steelhead taper. It has a long belly, you can
do
a sort of roll to lift the line, back cast, and send it wherever you
want directly. The long bellymakes it possible to do what I think
the
spey guys call a snake roll with 50 feet of line out. A little
practice, and you can cast accurately 70 feet out at a 90 degree
angle
to the last cast. I don't think the rod is a key here, it wortks
for
me with a Sage LL 3wt, and a GLoomis GLX 6wt. In fact it works with
the 3wt line in the 6wt rod when you forget to bring the right reel.


Yeah but you can cast a kite string with a broomstick.


That would be a Mike Connors trick Willi. I've never tried it, though
I do remember trying to cast without a rod once years ago. I managed
10 or 15 feet, and even got a couple strikes, but there was no way I
could set the hook without the rod to help keep the line tensioned
properly.

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"Chas Wade" wrote

to the last cast. I don't think the rod is a key here, it wortks for
me with a Sage LL 3wt, and a GLoomis GLX 6wt. In fact it works with
the 3wt line in the 6wt rod when you forget to bring the right reel.



I can't find any lines called " steelhead taper" or the tapers Peter
suggested in lighter than 6 wt .... I'd like to use a 5wt rod

It will and has handled a 6 WF line just fine, but ... I'm confused ... if
the first 30 foot of a 6wt steelhead taper weighs the same as the head of a
standard 6WF ( however many grains '6wt' is ) then it would seem that trying
to 'roll pickup" 50 feet would really overload my 5 wt ... I've already
broken it twice ( it was made LONG before the guarantees when have today )
and paid well over $100 each time to have Scott replace the tip section ...
I really like the rod and don't want to abuse it You mention a 3wt
version? what manufacturer? model or taper name?

On Mon, 25 Oct 2004 00:03:49 GMT, "Larry L"
wrote:


"Chas Wade" wrote

to the last cast. I don't think the rod is a key here, it wortks for
me with a Sage LL 3wt, and a GLoomis GLX 6wt. In fact it works with
the 3wt line in the 6wt rod when you forget to bring the right reel.



I can't find any lines called " steelhead taper" or the tapers Peter
suggested in lighter than 6 wt .... I'd like to use a 5wt rod

It will and has handled a 6 WF line just fine, but ... I'm confused ... if
the first 30 foot of a 6wt steelhead taper weighs the same as the head of a
standard 6WF ( however many grains '6wt' is ) then it would seem that trying
to 'roll pickup" 50 feet would really overload my 5 wt ... I've already
broken it twice ( it was made LONG before the guarantees when have today )
and paid well over $100 each time to have Scott replace the tip section ...
I really like the rod and don't want to abuse it You mention a 3wt
version? what manufacturer? model or taper name?



You're right, seems like Airflo has stopped making the Bankmaster and
the Delta doesn't seem to cover the same range of lines that it used
to. Spend a summer doing things other than fishing and the whole
world goes to pot. (OK, so Trip doesn't see why that's necessarily a
bad thing.)

If you can't get these lines, why not a DT?

Peter

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On Sun, 24 Oct 2004 20:30:26 -0400, Peter Charles
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You're right, seems like Airflo has stopped making the Bankmaster and
the Delta doesn't seem to cover the same range of lines that it used
to. Spend a summer doing things other than fishing and the whole
world goes to pot. (OK, so Trip doesn't see why that's necessarily a
bad thing.)

Damned straight. Thanks for asking ;-)

/daytripper (An entire nation can be drunk on its ass, but *that's* ok...)

"Larry L" wrote:

I can't find any lines called " steelhead taper" or the tapers Peter
suggested in lighter than 6 wt .... I'd like to use a 5wt rod

I guess that makes sense, most people use a 6 or heavier for steelhead.
I'm with Peter on this, try a double taper.


It will and has handled a 6 WF line just fine, but ... I'm confused
... if
the first 30 foot of a 6wt steelhead taper weighs the same as the head
of a
standard 6WF ( however many grains '6wt' is ) then it would seem that
trying
to 'roll pickup" 50 feet would really overload my 5 wt ... I've
already
broken it twice ( it was made LONG before the guarantees when have
today )
and paid well over $100 each time to have Scott replace the tip
section ...
I really like the rod and don't want to abuse it You mention a
3wt
version? what manufacturer? model or taper name?

I didn't have a steelhead taper, that was a double taper on the 3wt. I
doubt you broke a 5wt Scott rod just with casting pressure. I also
doubt you could hurt it with a 6wt.

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"Chas Wade" wrote

to the last cast. I don't think the rod is a key here, it wortks for
me with a Sage LL 3wt, and a GLoomis GLX 6wt. In fact it works with
the 3wt line in the 6wt rod when you forget to bring the right reel.



I can't find any lines called " steelhead taper" or the tapers Peter
suggested in lighter than 6 wt .... I'd like to use a 5wt rod

It will and has handled a 6 WF line just fine, but ... I'm confused ... if
the first 30 foot of a 6wt steelhead taper weighs the same as the head of a
standard 6WF ( however many grains '6wt' is ) then it would seem that trying
to 'roll pickup" 50 feet would really overload my 5 wt ... I've already
broken it twice ( it was made LONG before the guarantees when have today )
and paid well over $100 each time to have Scott replace the tip section ...
I really like the rod and don't want to abuse it You mention a 3wt
version? what manufacturer? model or taper name?