fly line taper

Willi & Sue wrote:
Chas Wade wrote:
"Larry L" wrote:

My question, as my post season tackle check shows my lake floating
line
cracked and ready for replacement, is there a specialty taper
available that
will help in this situation?



You might consider a steelhead taper. It has a long belly, you can
do
a sort of roll to lift the line, back cast, and send it wherever you
want directly. The long bellymakes it possible to do what I think
the
spey guys call a snake roll with 50 feet of line out. A little
practice, and you can cast accurately 70 feet out at a 90 degree
angle
to the last cast. I don't think the rod is a key here, it wortks
for
me with a Sage LL 3wt, and a GLoomis GLX 6wt. In fact it works with
the 3wt line in the 6wt rod when you forget to bring the right reel.


Yeah but you can cast a kite string with a broomstick.


That would be a Mike Connors trick Willi. I've never tried it, though
I do remember trying to cast without a rod once years ago. I managed
10 or 15 feet, and even got a couple strikes, but there was no way I
could set the hook without the rod to help keep the line tensioned
properly.

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"Larry L" wrote:

I can't find any lines called " steelhead taper" or the tapers Peter
suggested in lighter than 6 wt .... I'd like to use a 5wt rod

I guess that makes sense, most people use a 6 or heavier for steelhead.
I'm with Peter on this, try a double taper.


It will and has handled a 6 WF line just fine, but ... I'm confused
... if
the first 30 foot of a 6wt steelhead taper weighs the same as the head
of a
standard 6WF ( however many grains '6wt' is ) then it would seem that
trying
to 'roll pickup" 50 feet would really overload my 5 wt ... I've
already
broken it twice ( it was made LONG before the guarantees when have
today )
and paid well over $100 each time to have Scott replace the tip
section ...
I really like the rod and don't want to abuse it You mention a
3wt
version? what manufacturer? model or taper name?

I didn't have a steelhead taper, that was a double taper on the 3wt. I
doubt you broke a 5wt Scott rod just with casting pressure. I also
doubt you could hurt it with a 6wt.

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From the posts I read, you are getting lots of advice that is clustered
together and I cannot determine a consensus. So if I were in your shoes,
I'd do one or all of the following:
1. Hire a guide to take you to one of your favorite places and have him
bring along those rods and tapers to field test. If he will, have him load
the lines on identical reels to eliminate that variable.
2. Solicit your favorite fly shop to provide you with several identical
demo rods/reels loaded with the various lines and go fishing on your lake
with the fly shop owner.
3. Convince BOTH guide AND fly shop owner to go fishing with you on your
favorite lake and bring along their rod/reel/fly line combinations. You
might have to agree to buy a new rod and reel but if you get exactly what
you want, it's a win/win deal for you, the guide and the fly shop owner.

If you are lucky enough to get option 3 on the water, I'll bet you learn
enough tips about fishing your favorite lake to make the trip "The Trip Of a
Lifetime." On subsequent trips alone back on your favorite lake, betcha
you'll have lots of good memories that make whatever you wound up paying
priceless.

If you choose to do this, give us some feedback. Good luck.
John


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"Larry L" wrote in message
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I fish two or three places, Hebgen gulpers, Davis Lake damsel hatch, and
others similar, where I have yet to feel I've "solved" the casting
requirements of the situation. Specifically, you have a long line out on
the water and want to pick it up and lay it down quickly in a new direction
to cover a riser that has cruised into range. All stripping in of line
to get to the 'head," and false casting use up valuable time ..... cover
these fish quickly and you've got him ... take a while and you probably
guessed wrong on where he was headed. I need to be able to pick up a long
floating line off a stillwater and maximize my minimal abilities doing so.

My question, as my post season tackle check shows my lake floating line
cracked and ready for replacement, is there a specialty taper available
that will help in this situation?

For kickboating stillwaters, I, usually, fish an 25++ year old Scott 10ft
5wt that is lovely for the work, in general, and I have a wide variety of
lines for it. But it's rather slow in action ... maybe one of the
'modern' broomstick rods would be best for this special situation? I
doubt I'll invest in a special rod, but if I did, what 5wt rod would be
best, period ? best for the buck? is the TFO 5wt TICR suitable?

From the posts I read, you are getting lots of advice that is clustered
together and I cannot determine a consensus. So if I were in your shoes,
I'd do one or all of the following:
1. Hire a guide to take you to one of your favorite places and have him
bring along those rods and tapers to field test. If he will, have him load
the lines on identical reels to eliminate that variable.
2. Solicit your favorite fly shop to provide you with several identical
demo rods/reels loaded with the various lines and go fishing on your lake
with the fly shop owner.
3. Convince BOTH guide AND fly shop owner to go fishing with you on your
favorite lake and bring along their rod/reel/fly line combinations. You
might have to agree to buy a new rod and reel but if you get exactly what
you want, it's a win/win deal for you, the guide and the fly shop owner.

If you are lucky enough to get option 3 on the water, I'll bet you learn
enough tips about fishing your favorite lake to make the trip "The Trip Of a
Lifetime." On subsequent trips alone back on your favorite lake, betcha
you'll have lots of good memories that make whatever you wound up paying
priceless.

If you choose to do this, give us some feedback. Good luck.
John


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"Larry L" wrote in message
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I fish two or three places, Hebgen gulpers, Davis Lake damsel hatch, and
others similar, where I have yet to feel I've "solved" the casting
requirements of the situation. Specifically, you have a long line out on
the water and want to pick it up and lay it down quickly in a new direction
to cover a riser that has cruised into range. All stripping in of line
to get to the 'head," and false casting use up valuable time ..... cover
these fish quickly and you've got him ... take a while and you probably
guessed wrong on where he was headed. I need to be able to pick up a long
floating line off a stillwater and maximize my minimal abilities doing so.

My question, as my post season tackle check shows my lake floating line
cracked and ready for replacement, is there a specialty taper available
that will help in this situation?

For kickboating stillwaters, I, usually, fish an 25++ year old Scott 10ft
5wt that is lovely for the work, in general, and I have a wide variety of
lines for it. But it's rather slow in action ... maybe one of the
'modern' broomstick rods would be best for this special situation? I
doubt I'll invest in a special rod, but if I did, what 5wt rod would be
best, period ? best for the buck? is the TFO 5wt TICR suitable?

On Sat, 23 Oct 2004 18:28:30 GMT, "Larry L"
wrote:

I fish two or three places, Hebgen gulpers, Davis Lake damsel hatch, and
others similar, where I have yet to feel I've "solved" the casting
requirements of the situation. Specifically, you have a long line out on
the water and want to pick it up and lay it down quickly in a new direction
to cover a riser that has cruised into range. All stripping in of line to
get to the 'head," and false casting use up valuable time ..... cover
these fish quickly and you've got him ... take a while and you probably
guessed wrong on where he was headed. I need to be able to pick up a long
floating line off a stillwater and maximize my minimal abilities doing so.

My question, as my post season tackle check shows my lake floating line
cracked and ready for replacement, is there a specialty taper available that
will help in this situation?

For kickboating stillwaters, I, usually, fish an 25++ year old Scott 10ft
5wt that is lovely for the work, in general, and I have a wide variety of
lines for it. But it's rather slow in action ... maybe one of the 'modern'
broomstick rods would be best for this special situation? I doubt I'll
invest in a special rod, but if I did, what 5wt rod would be best, period ?
best for the buck? is the TFO 5wt TICR suitable?



Forgot to mention Brian Chan's book, "Stillwater Fly Fishing". I'm
sure that it would be a decent source as well as any UK stillwater
book. Since fishing on rivers and streams in the UK, can be very
expensive, a lot of fishing is done via day tickets to local
reservoirs or ponds. So, there's a lot of expertise there on
stillwater trout fishing. BTW, a 5 wt. would be considered very light
by UK standards for lake fishing. This Sunday, I watched a Canadian
fishing show where they're fishing for rainbows, from kickboats, on a
BC lake, using 8 wts.! They had to -- you should've seen the hogs
they were landing.

Peter

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On Sat, 23 Oct 2004 18:28:30 GMT, "Larry L"
wrote:

I fish two or three places, Hebgen gulpers, Davis Lake damsel hatch, and
others similar, where I have yet to feel I've "solved" the casting
requirements of the situation. Specifically, you have a long line out on
the water and want to pick it up and lay it down quickly in a new direction
to cover a riser that has cruised into range. All stripping in of line to
get to the 'head," and false casting use up valuable time ..... cover
these fish quickly and you've got him ... take a while and you probably
guessed wrong on where he was headed. I need to be able to pick up a long
floating line off a stillwater and maximize my minimal abilities doing so.

My question, as my post season tackle check shows my lake floating line
cracked and ready for replacement, is there a specialty taper available that
will help in this situation?

For kickboating stillwaters, I, usually, fish an 25++ year old Scott 10ft
5wt that is lovely for the work, in general, and I have a wide variety of
lines for it. But it's rather slow in action ... maybe one of the 'modern'
broomstick rods would be best for this special situation? I doubt I'll
invest in a special rod, but if I did, what 5wt rod would be best, period ?
best for the buck? is the TFO 5wt TICR suitable?



Forgot to mention Brian Chan's book, "Stillwater Fly Fishing". I'm
sure that it would be a decent source as well as any UK stillwater
book. Since fishing on rivers and streams in the UK, can be very
expensive, a lot of fishing is done via day tickets to local
reservoirs or ponds. So, there's a lot of expertise there on
stillwater trout fishing. BTW, a 5 wt. would be considered very light
by UK standards for lake fishing. This Sunday, I watched a Canadian
fishing show where they're fishing for rainbows, from kickboats, on a
BC lake, using 8 wts.! They had to -- you should've seen the hogs
they were landing.

Peter

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Larry Specifically, you have a long line out on the water and want to
Larry pick it up and lay it down quickly in a new direction to cover
Larry a riser that has cruised into range.

Sounds like a job for the good ole double taper. And as a bonus, are
those casts a sight for sore eyes after watching WFs being smashed
around :-)

The problem with DTs is that they take up a lot of space on the reel.

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Larry Specifically, you have a long line out on the water and want to
Larry pick it up and lay it down quickly in a new direction to cover
Larry a riser that has cruised into range.

Sounds like a job for the good ole double taper. And as a bonus, are
those casts a sight for sore eyes after watching WFs being smashed
around :-)

The problem with DTs is that they take up a lot of space on the reel.

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Hi Larry,

Your line has to be new so it does not soak up water.

It needs to be clean and dressed.

If you had a newer fast, light 9.5 or 10' #5 rod it would help too. Sage XP
or GLX?

I like the Sage Performance taper.

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Bill Kiene

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Sacramento, CA, USA

Web site: www.kiene.com


"Larry L" wrote in message
...
I fish two or three places, Hebgen gulpers, Davis Lake damsel hatch, and
others similar, where I have yet to feel I've "solved" the casting
requirements of the situation. Specifically, you have a long line out on
the water and want to pick it up and lay it down quickly in a new direction
to cover a riser that has cruised into range. All stripping in of line
to get to the 'head," and false casting use up valuable time ..... cover
these fish quickly and you've got him ... take a while and you probably
guessed wrong on where he was headed. I need to be able to pick up a long
floating line off a stillwater and maximize my minimal abilities doing so.

My question, as my post season tackle check shows my lake floating line
cracked and ready for replacement, is there a specialty taper available
that will help in this situation?

For kickboating stillwaters, I, usually, fish an 25++ year old Scott 10ft
5wt that is lovely for the work, in general, and I have a wide variety of
lines for it. But it's rather slow in action ... maybe one of the
'modern' broomstick rods would be best for this special situation? I
doubt I'll invest in a special rod, but if I did, what 5wt rod would be
best, period ? best for the buck? is the TFO 5wt TICR suitable?

Hi Larry,

Your line has to be new so it does not soak up water.

It needs to be clean and dressed.

If you had a newer fast, light 9.5 or 10' #5 rod it would help too. Sage XP
or GLX?

I like the Sage Performance taper.

--
Bill Kiene

Kiene's Fly Shop
Sacramento, CA, USA

Web site: www.kiene.com


"Larry L" wrote in message
...
I fish two or three places, Hebgen gulpers, Davis Lake damsel hatch, and
others similar, where I have yet to feel I've "solved" the casting
requirements of the situation. Specifically, you have a long line out on
the water and want to pick it up and lay it down quickly in a new direction
to cover a riser that has cruised into range. All stripping in of line
to get to the 'head," and false casting use up valuable time ..... cover
these fish quickly and you've got him ... take a while and you probably
guessed wrong on where he was headed. I need to be able to pick up a long
floating line off a stillwater and maximize my minimal abilities doing so.

My question, as my post season tackle check shows my lake floating line
cracked and ready for replacement, is there a specialty taper available
that will help in this situation?

For kickboating stillwaters, I, usually, fish an 25++ year old Scott 10ft
5wt that is lovely for the work, in general, and I have a wide variety of
lines for it. But it's rather slow in action ... maybe one of the
'modern' broomstick rods would be best for this special situation? I
doubt I'll invest in a special rod, but if I did, what 5wt rod would be
best, period ? best for the buck? is the TFO 5wt TICR suitable?