Upside down dryfly revisited

salmobytes wrote:
Ken Fortenberry wrote:
Reposting the entire post to which you're responding only to add
one line.

What I posted never before appeared on usenet.

I wasn't talking about your post, apparently you have some sort of
difficulty following threads on a Usenet newsgroup.

...lonely, annoying little ankle-biting twerps on usenet do make
you wonder why you bother to participate.

Ouch. Boy, you sure told me. Congratulations Sandy, you've done your
bit to make this a kinder, gentler place in which to participate.

--
Ken Fortenberry

On 25 Feb 2007 19:04:55 -0800, "salmobytes"
wrote:

On Feb 25, 11:02 am, Ken Fortenberry
wrote:

Reposting the entire post to which you're responding only to add
one line.

What I posted never before appeared on usenet.

Ken was complaining to the person who quoted your post and only added
one line, not to or about you.

Notice the attributions.
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Almost entirely harmless. Really.

http://www.visi.com/~cyli

On Feb 26, 1:53 am, Cyli wrote:

Ken was complaining to the person who quoted your post and only added
one line, not to or about you.

.....it's a great and terrible usenet. Sorry Ken. I got it wrong

On 25 Feb 2007 09:00:18 -0800, "salmobytes"
wrote:

A week or two ago the subject of the "Upside Down Dryfly" came up.
I think most of the important points got mentioned, by various
posters,
but this moroning I ran across the following link (actually a buddy
sent it to me).
This is a Japanese language site primarily, but it does have a
parallel set
of pages written in Englais. Note the earliest reference (1662)

http://www.kawanobooks.com/html/En/e081.html

upside-down fly??English??fly?
? A fly in which the hook is used upside down.?As for the oldest
description of an upside down fly, Col. Robert Venables in Britain
mentioned such a fly in the "The Experienced Angler" (1662).?The fly
was a mayfly imitation that had the wing attached to the point side of
a hook.?At the time, many people imitated this pattern, and it was
also called reversed-wing.?Because the hook point is in the air in
this pattern, it can be effective to catch overly sophisticated trout.
However, hooking is said to be somewhat difficult.
? In the 1970s, Brian Clarke and John Goddard of Britain introduced a
series of upside down patterns, and called it the USD series.?Later on
Neil Patterson made an outstanding fly pattern called Funneldun as an
improved version of USD series.
? In the United States, Joe Brooks introduced the Keel Fly in his book
"Trout Fishing" (1972).?In Japan, upside down flies have been often
called keel fly or keel style, however because Keel Fly is a company's
name, upside down fly is more desirable for use in common expression.
?Reference?A dictionary of fly-fishing, 1993 (1992).?The experienced
angler, 1969 (1662).?The trout and the fly, 1980.?Trout fishing, 1972.
?Robert Venables, USD Paradun series, Funnel Dun, Joe Brooks, Trout
Fishing, keel fly

A keel fly isn't simply an "upside-down" pattern on a "standard" hook.
It is tyed on a special keel hook. Several hook-makers used to make
them. Also, Brooks didn't introduce them in "Trout Fishing" - they had
been mentioned in print since the 60s. Pobst, the developer, gives the
most complete treatment in his "Fish the Impossible Places: The Story of
the Keel Fly."

TC,
R

wrote in message
...
Also, Brooks didn't introduce them in "Trout Fishing" - they had
been mentioned in print since the 60s. Pobst, the developer, gives the
most complete treatment in his "Fish the Impossible Places: The Story of
the Keel Fly."

TC,
R

thanks for pointing that one out. I meant to, myself, but got distracted by
the Sage of Fawn Lake. You've mentioned these designs a couple times. Have
you ever
tied/used them?? I was never too impressed by them, functionally, but to be
honest, my only real trials came years ago, and I might be a tad more adept,
both at the tying and fishing of them nowadays.
Tom

On Mon, 26 Feb 2007 01:27:15 GMT, "Tom Littleton"
wrote:


wrote in message
.. .
Also, Brooks didn't introduce them in "Trout Fishing" - they had
been mentioned in print since the 60s. Pobst, the developer, gives the
most complete treatment in his "Fish the Impossible Places: The Story of
the Keel Fly."

TC,
R

thanks for pointing that one out. I meant to, myself, but got distracted by
the Sage of Fawn Lake. You've mentioned these designs a couple times. Have
you ever
tied/used them?? I was never too impressed by them, functionally, but to be
honest, my only real trials came years ago, and I might be a tad more adept,
both at the tying and fishing of them nowadays.
Tom

Yeah, I've tyed them and used them. My grandfather loved bass and salt
fishing as much as trout and other species, and for "impossible places,"
they are decent enough. As to using them exclusively or even fairly
often, there is no need IMO. And now that the hooks aren't readily
available, I especially place them, just as I do all varieties of
"upside down" flies, in the "special purpose" category, ala Clouser
minnows, many tarpon flies, etc. They don't hook like "regular" flies,
but if you're C & K'ing (trout), it really doesn't matter. For things
like tarpon or bass, you're not going to kill one with an "upside-down"
fly mouth-hooked.

If you can find a copy of Pobst's book, it'll give you quite a bit of
info. If you can't, lemme know and I'll photo...er, contact me via
email...

TC,
R