Do black dyed materials seem thinner, sparser...?

On 7 Nov, 18:34, Mike McGuire wrote:
I notice that the black dyed tying material that I have, hair, feathers,
fur, obtained for quite a few different commercial sources seem to be
thinner, sparser, have less body than the same stuff dyed other colors
and certainly less than the undyed stuff. Does anybody else notice this?
If so any speculation as to why?

Mike McGuire

It is because of the difficulty in hot dyeing materials jet black. The
dyebath has to be hotter, more acid is required, and more dye. This
damages the material irreparably. Also many black dyed materials are
not colour fast anyway, and the dye will come off on your fingers.
This is a result of using too much dye in the bath, and not getting it
hot enough.

Cold dyed materials don´t suffer from this problem.

May be of interest;

http://www.mike-connor.homepage.t-on...ng/dyeing.html

TL
MC

Also, many suppliers leave black dyed materials in the bath a lot
longer in the hope of increasing the depth of shade. This does not
work, but the longer exposure to the hot acid damages the material
more.

TL
MC

I'm guessing that the previous responses are correct. If you do your own
dyeing, try using human hair dye. You can get the cheapest,like Lady
Clarol, at a beauticians supply store. Get the kit or just the dye plus
20% developer and use just enough to rub into the material. Allow to
set, rinse thoroughly and air dry. You'll get a deep black without
damaging or thinniing the material.

Allan


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I notice that the black dyed tying material that I have, hair, feathers,
fur, obtained for quite a few different commercial sources seem to be
thinner, sparser, have less body than the same stuff dyed other colors
and certainly less than the undyed stuff. Does anybody else notice this?
If so any speculation as to why?

Mike McGuire

On 8 Nov, 12:18, Mike McGuire wrote:
Mike wrote:
On 7 Nov, 18:34, Mike McGuire wrote:
I notice that the black dyed tying material that I have, hair, feathers,
fur, obtained for quite a few different commercial sources seem to be
thinner, sparser, have less body than the same stuff dyed other colors
and certainly less than the undyed stuff. Does anybody else notice this?
If so any speculation as to why?

Mike McGuire

It is because of the difficulty in hot dyeing materials jet black. The
dyebath has to be hotter, more acid is required, and more dye. This
damages the material irreparably. Also many black dyed materials are
not colour fast anyway, and the dye will come off on your fingers.
This is a result of using too much dye in the bath, and not getting it
hot enough.

Cold dyed materials don´t suffer from this problem.

May be of interest;

http://www.mike-connor.homepage.t-on...ng/dyeing.html

TL
MC

Rather what I suspected. I'm am just beginning to dabble in dyeing stuff
to see if I can avoid some of these problems. Your article looks like it
will be a great help. Thanks

Mike McGuire

My pleasure. You may also find this of interest;

http://www.mike-connor.homepage.t-on...y_colours.html

TL
MC

Mike wrote:
On 7 Nov, 18:34, Mike McGuire wrote:
I notice that the black dyed tying material that I have, hair, feathers,
fur, obtained for quite a few different commercial sources seem to be
thinner, sparser, have less body than the same stuff dyed other colors
and certainly less than the undyed stuff. Does anybody else notice this?
If so any speculation as to why?

Mike McGuire

It is because of the difficulty in hot dyeing materials jet black. The
dyebath has to be hotter, more acid is required, and more dye. This
damages the material irreparably. Also many black dyed materials are
not colour fast anyway, and the dye will come off on your fingers.
This is a result of using too much dye in the bath, and not getting it
hot enough.

Cold dyed materials don´t suffer from this problem.

May be of interest;

http://www.mike-connor.homepage.t-on...ng/dyeing.html

TL
MC


Rather what I suspected. I'm am just beginning to dabble in dyeing stuff
to see if I can avoid some of these problems. Your article looks like it
will be a great help. Thanks

Mike McGuire