Recommendations for 6wt fly rod under $200

On Fri, 06 Oct 2006 00:55:33 GMT, "Dawn Moe" wrote:


Some Walmarts might carry more, but the only Orvis products Walmart sells
here are Green Mountain fly lines and leaders. Bottom end lines from
Orvis.
No other Orvis products. They sell mostly very low end Scientific Angler
gear. AKA: junk.

Jeremy Moe

Oh, goody...a new face who fancies him(?)self a DYGS...and for Tim and
the guide - just sub "gear" for "beer"...bubba, you are in about as
wrong a place as you can get if you wanna set yourself up as a real
high-stepping gear connoisseur...and you are doing it with about as
wrong a person as you could pick, too...

There isn't a fly rod at any Walmart, anywhere, that a decent FFer
_couldn't_ use. If that FFer _wouldn't_ use it, that says more about
them than Walmart or the gear in question. Heck, in the hands of many,
even a broken rod in the returned items bin could produce results. And
if a FFer's budget made Walmart (or other purveyors of what you call
"junk") the supplier of choice, there's no shame in that.

You're not by any chance from Ketchum, Jr. or the proud owner of, IIRC,
"at least one of every rod Orvis ever made," are you?

R


R,

Let me clarify...1st, I don't know you and didn't pick a fight with you, I
simply posted a recomendation to try to help the guy out. 2d, I am not a
dumbass, a yuppie, and least of all, I am not a gear snob. If you would read
further down in later posts, you would read that I use some of the cheapest
gear available (compared to what most others use). 3rd, I am not trying to
set myself up as "a real high-stepping gear connoisseur", just the opposite.
I have not had the privelege of owning or using anything other than the
lower end equipment my wife allows me to buy. 4th, the Walmart references in
question were pertaining to the Walmart here in my town. Your Walmart may
(and probably is) different. My first fly rod was a SA bought at my local
Walmart, and with noone and nowhere near to learn the art of fly fishing
from, it was a miserable rod to teach myself on. Simple lack of experience
and a mentor kept me from enjoying that rod. 5th, no you don't recall
correctly, I have never said I was the owner of "at least one of every rod
Orvis ever made." Again, just the opposite, I have only owned one Orvis, and
I much prefer my (much cheaper) St. Croix over the Orvis.

Let me clarify your clarification: 1st, no, you do, I didn't say you
did, and no, you didn't. 2nd, Well, if you PROMISE you aren't. So what
you're saying is that I'd discover that you have no real basis to tell
the good from the bad, or IOW, the "junk" from the "not junk." 3rd, see
the 2nd sentence of "2nd," previous. 4th, you somehow think that the
merchandise is your neighborhood Walmart is junk, but the same
merchandise in my neighborhood Walmart is probably different. It isn't.
And while you had no experience to draw from, you choose to blame the
tools...well, you know what they say about workmen who blame their
tools. 5th, I never said you did. That was another poster who
absolutely promised they were not a dumbass, and while it may not be an
exact quote, it's certainly not a gross mischaracterization of what they
did claim. I just thought it at least possible that you ran in certain
circles...


Jeremy Moe
(just trying to understand why some folks just want to try to start ****
with people they don't know)

Yeah, ain't that the damndest thing?

On Fri, 06 Oct 2006 00:59:15 GMT, "Dawn Moe" wrote:


Let me clarify...1st, I don't know you and didn't pick a fight with you, I
simply posted a recomendation to try to help the guy out. 2d, I am not a
dumbass, a yuppie, and least of all, I am not a gear snob. If you would
read further down in later posts, you would read that I use some of the
cheapest gear available (compared to what most others use). 3rd, I am not
trying to set myself up as "a real high-stepping gear connoisseur", just
the opposite. I have not had the privelege of owning or using anything
other than the lower end equipment my wife allows me to buy. 4th, the
Walmart references in question were pertaining to the Walmart here in my
town. Your Walmart may (and probably is) different. My first fly rod was a
SA bought at my local Walmart, and with noone and nowhere near to learn
the art of fly fishing from, it was a miserable rod to teach myself on.
Simple lack of experience and a mentor kept me from enjoying that rod.
5th, no you don't recall correctly, I have never said I was the owner of
"at least one of every rod Orvis ever made." Again, just the opposite, I
have only owned one Orvis, and I much prefer my (much cheaper) St. Croix
over the Orvis.


Jeremy Moe
(just trying to understand why some folks just want to try to start ****
with people they don't know)




Let me amend that first part, yes I am sometimes (we all can be) a dumbass.

Oh...if you say so...

Jeremy

On Thu, 05 Oct 2006 08:20:50 -0500, wrote:

On Wed, 4 Oct 2006 21:17:56 -0600, "Fred Lebow"
wrote:

I don't mean to start the whole Walmart sucks thing again (but they do
:-), but here goes. I bought a Scientific Anglers rod from them a few
years ago, before I quit going there. I am a very novice fly caster and I
can tell you those low end rods from Walmart are the worst rod of any kind
I have ever used. There are plenty of economy rods out there that would be
better worth your money. Again, St. Croix has some nice casting rods and
combos in the price range Michael is looking for. Orvis too.

Jeremy Moe

I agree wholeheartedly.
Wal-Mart sucks!
For the most part they sell low end sh**
I also agree that there are many better economy rods available.

LLBean would also be a good place to search.
Some of their rods were or are made by Thomas & Thomas and are decent and
relatively inexpensive.

Fred

Um, doesn't Walmart carry some Orvis stuff?

Wait a tick...

(checks calendar)

Right on time ;-)

/daytripper (ahahahahahahahahahahahah!)

On Fri, 06 Oct 2006 00:59:15 GMT, "Dawn Moe" wrote:


Let me clarify...1st, I don't know you and didn't pick a fight with you, I
simply posted a recomendation to try to help the guy out. 2d, I am not a
dumbass, a yuppie, and least of all, I am not a gear snob. If you would
read further down in later posts, you would read that I use some of the
cheapest gear available (compared to what most others use). 3rd, I am not
trying to set myself up as "a real high-stepping gear connoisseur", just
the opposite. I have not had the privelege of owning or using anything
other than the lower end equipment my wife allows me to buy. 4th, the
Walmart references in question were pertaining to the Walmart here in my
town. Your Walmart may (and probably is) different. My first fly rod was a
SA bought at my local Walmart, and with noone and nowhere near to learn
the art of fly fishing from, it was a miserable rod to teach myself on.
Simple lack of experience and a mentor kept me from enjoying that rod.
5th, no you don't recall correctly, I have never said I was the owner of
"at least one of every rod Orvis ever made." Again, just the opposite, I
have only owned one Orvis, and I much prefer my (much cheaper) St. Croix
over the Orvis.


Jeremy Moe
(just trying to understand why some folks just want to try to start ****
with people they don't know)




Let me amend that first part, yes I am sometimes (we all can be) a dumbass.

Jeremy


Well...."Some are more dumbass than others"

I suggest, when confronted with Dickie's random offerings, you not over
analyze the obvious. Sometimes a nitwit is just....a nitwit. Yah know? ;-)

/daytripper (hope this helps)

On Fri, 06 Oct 2006 00:48:05 -0400, daytripper
wrote:


Um, doesn't Walmart carry some Orvis stuff?

Wait a tick...

(checks calendar)

Right on time ;-)

If that's a reference to the mid-terms, let me cover it right here and
now. There are a number of Republicans that are going to lose and the
problem there is that the Dems who will win don't deserve the job any
more than the folks they'll replace. I suspect a sadly large part of it
will just be trading their scumbags for your scumbags.

About the only race I _really_ care about is the Texas Governor's, and I
hope Kinky beats Perry like a rented red-headed stepmule. I am somewhat
curious what happens with Lieberman, but I don't have even a short gay
black puppy in that fight. I think what the Dems did was ****ty, but
not because they are Dems, but because from what I know (admittedly
little as far as direct and local), Joe is and was, generally and as
pols go, um, well, a pretty good Joe and given the overall numbers, it
seems that a fair number of his Dem constituents think so, too, and want
him in. Oddly, that may be the start of something: a move to Indies,
where there is at least a slim chance of Congresspeople voting one's
con...well, OK, so probably not, but, hey, one can dream...

As to the Foley matter, from what is generally available, Foley is a
pedophile who needs to be in prison, and Hastert oughta resign, at least
from the leadership, yesterday. If he did _know_ there was something
up, he ought to be tossed in the clink with Foley. And if he should
have known, but simply didn't, he ought to be not only tossed out of
leadership, but Congress, too, as being too stupid to be there. It
appears that at least Fordham is lying about who knew what when, but his
doing so doesn't mean someone didn't know something a time back. And as
to the Dems, it _appears_ at this point that at least some Dems knew
about something and saved it as an "October surprise." If so, any Dems
that did know are just as guilty and ought to be run out of town, too.
And no, at this point, I don't think there is enough evidence known to
make a call as to it all. Whatever the case, the page program should be
abolished, or at least, no more minors. It has been a happy hunting
ground for pervs of both parties and one day of that is two days too
many.

From a historical perspective, the Dems have no moral high ground on
this type of thing, and corruption naturally occurs more in the party in
power than the minority. When the Dems had control, they were the ones
getting, um, favored, and if they take over, they'll again become the
party whose members are being, um, favored by the lobbies/interests/etc.
And Pelosi is nothing more than Tom DeLay in a dress - a scumbag's
scumbag. Her current blathering is just like her prior blathering: just
more political hypocrisy. She was there, rallying 'round the party,
ready to scratch the eyes out of all comers who might suggest that her
people weren't all fine, upstanding, and forthright. Recall that back
in the late 80s and early 90s, it was the in-control Dems who were, er,
playing Studd to the pages, snorting (and dealing) coke, forcing
themselves on multiple women and men, being "favored" with all sorts of
money, drugs, and sex, and running gay whorehouses out of their homes
(to be fair, I think Frank was only guilty of _extreme_ stupidity but
see Hastert, stupidity, and getting booted, above - I've seen
nothing that he knew or condoned his boy's, er, business - and from what
I know, he has actually turned out to be a generally decent legislator).

HTH,
R

/daytripper (ahahahahahahahahahahahah!)

wrote in message
...

From a historical perspective, the Dems have no moral high ground on
this type of thing, and corruption naturally occurs more in the party in
power than the minority.

Obviously, but that's not the point. People get real sick of morality
police (which liberals traditionally are definitely not) trying to take our
freedoms away, and then being hypocritical. There are lots of people in
this country who have no more than a mild preference for one party, because
all rational people believe that all reasonable democratic parties have pros
and cons, and the majority of people would choose some mix of "issues" from
each. The problem though is that we are no longer choosing between
conservative and liberal. We're not currently living under a conservative
Republican administration, we're living under a fascist regime.

"Steve" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 07 Oct 2006 23:55:20 GMT, "jeffc" wrote:

People get real sick of morality
police (which liberals traditionally are definitely not) trying to take
our
freedoms away, and then being hypocritical.

Um, the short list of Dem hypocrisy would include voting to retain
slavery, voting against lynching laws, refusing women the vote,
fraudulent voting scandals, having as their dean in the Senate an
actual former Klansman, voting for driver's licenses to be issued to
illegal aliens, "mother knows best laws", and perhaps the most
atrocious act of committing perjury against a private citizen while
holding the highest law enforcement position in the country. We can
probably skip over the Albright/Berger/Clinton Iraq statements.

You may be right about the police state fascism of the Republicans in
this administration, but you're embracing a party that has done a poor
job of protecting your freedom and I doubt represents your values.

It's OK to be independent.

A man after my own heart!

If you're not married Steve..............................don't it kills the
spirit!

Op

"Steve" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 07 Oct 2006 23:55:20 GMT, "jeffc" wrote:

People get real sick of morality
police (which liberals traditionally are definitely not) trying to take
our
freedoms away, and then being hypocritical.

Um, the short list of Dem hypocrisy would include voting to retain
slavery, voting against lynching laws, refusing women the vote,
fraudulent voting scandals, having as their dean in the Senate an
actual former Klansman, voting for driver's licenses to be issued to
illegal aliens, "mother knows best laws", and perhaps the most
atrocious act of committing perjury against a private citizen while
holding the highest law enforcement position in the country. We can
probably skip over the Albright/Berger/Clinton Iraq statements.

You may be right about the police state fascism of the Republicans in
this administration, but you're embracing a party that has done a poor
job of protecting your freedom and I doubt represents your values.

It's OK to be independent.


The better of 2 evils is still evil.

Gene

"Steve" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 07 Oct 2006 23:55:20 GMT, "jeffc" wrote:

People get real sick of morality
police (which liberals traditionally are definitely not) trying to take
our
freedoms away, and then being hypocritical.

Um, the short list of Dem hypocrisy would include voting to retain
slavery, voting against lynching laws, refusing women the vote,
fraudulent voting scandals, having as their dean in the Senate an
actual former Klansman, voting for driver's licenses to be issued to
illegal aliens, "mother knows best laws", and perhaps the most
atrocious act of committing perjury against a private citizen while
holding the highest law enforcement position in the country. We can
probably skip over the Albright/Berger/Clinton Iraq statements.

You may be right about the police state fascism of the Republicans in
this administration, but you're embracing a party ...

Huh? Doesn't sound like you read my post. In any case, granted I was
thinking in my lifetime. And there is really no escaping the fact that that
label of morality police goes to Republicans, not Democrats. With respect
to hypocrisy, I was trying to make a point about morality policing, not
hypocrisy in general.

"jeffc" wrote in message
...

Huh? Doesn't sound like you read my post. In any case, granted I was
thinking in my lifetime. And there is really no escaping the fact that
that label of morality police goes to Republicans, not Democrats. With
respect to hypocrisy, I was trying to make a point about morality
policing, not hypocrisy in general.

I think that Steve was trying to point out the neither the Dems nor the
Repubs are worthy of our votes. I could be wrong about Steve's post, but
that's the way I read it.

Op