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"jeffc" wrote in message
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Huh? Doesn't sound like you read my post. In any case, granted I was
thinking in my lifetime. And there is really no escaping the fact that
that label of morality police goes to Republicans, not Democrats. With
respect to hypocrisy, I was trying to make a point about morality
policing, not hypocrisy in general.

I think that Steve was trying to point out the neither the Dems nor the
Repubs are worthy of our votes. I could be wrong about Steve's post, but
that's the way I read it.

Op

"Mr. Opus McDopus" wrote in message
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"jeffc" wrote in message
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Huh? Doesn't sound like you read my post. In any case, granted I was
thinking in my lifetime. And there is really no escaping the fact that
that label of morality police goes to Republicans, not Democrats. With
respect to hypocrisy, I was trying to make a point about morality
policing, not hypocrisy in general.

I think that Steve was trying to point out the neither the Dems nor the
Repubs are worthy of our votes. I could be wrong about Steve's post, but
that's the way I read it.



In any case, thats a horrible point of view, as it ensures the status quo.

And historically, have Americans ever felt so dispondent about the policial
process? If we lose complete faith (in reality, not just rhetorically) in
the our political system, this could be the start of the end of the 'great
experiment'.

--riverman

"riverman" wrote in message ...

In any case, thats a horrible point of view, as it ensures the status quo.

Sadly, the "horrible point of view," from my point of view, is perpetuating
the strangle-hold status quo that the two major parties have foisted upon
the American electorate. Like Steve said in his reply to you, there will,
eventually, come a time when the Dems and/or Repubs will fade from the
political memory and we will either have a new set of competing parties; or
maybe, we will move to a proportional representation electoral system in
which we will have many competing parties and an entirely different
congressional make-up with the formation of coalitions?

And historically, have Americans ever felt so dispondent about the
policial process?

I would say the answer is, yes. I can imagine the turmoil of the period
just before the start of the Civil War was such a time of despondency.
Though I was too young to grasp the concepts of the Civil Rights movement
and the Viet Nam conflict, as our do nothing Congress was unable to declare
it a war, was also such a time of despondency for the electorate--remember
the turmoil in Chicago at the Dems convention.

If we lose complete faith (in reality, not just rhetorically) in the our
political system, this could be the start of the end of the 'great
experiment'.

We as an electorate have lost faith in our political system many time over
its history, yet we have always rebounded and a somewhat democratic process
has always prevailed. It is very unlikely that we would toss out the baby
with the bath water. We are more likely realize that the water we have been
using was dirty to begin with and seek a new source of water with which to
wash the baby.

Op

--riverman

Mr. Opus McDopus wrote:

We as an electorate have lost faith in our political system many time over
its history, yet we have always rebounded and a somewhat democratic process
has always prevailed. It is very unlikely that we would toss out the baby
with the bath water. We are more likely realize that the water we have been
using was dirty to begin with and seek a new source of water with which to
wash the baby.

Mark, you been following the Unity08 business?

http://www.unity08.com/about

- JR

"JR" wrote in message ...
Mr. Opus McDopus wrote:

We as an electorate have lost faith in our political system many time
over its history, yet we have always rebounded and a somewhat democratic
process has always prevailed. It is very unlikely that we would toss out
the baby with the bath water. We are more likely realize that the water
we have been using was dirty to begin with and seek a new source of water
with which to wash the baby.

Mark, you been following the Unity08 business?

http://www.unity08.com/about

- JR

No I haven't been. Thanks for the link.

You involved with'em?

Op

Mr. Opus McDopus wrote:
"JR" wrote
Mark, you been following the Unity08 business?

http://www.unity08.com/about

No I haven't been. Thanks for the link.

You involved with'em?

No, just keeping an eye on them from time to time to see if anything
serious develops.....

Clearly a Hillary Clinton / John McCain Unity ticket would have slightly
more credibility than and Democrat Joe-Blow-Nobody-Ever-Heard-Of and
Republican Jane-Doe-Whosit? ticket, but it's probably also a little less
likely....

JR wrote:

http://www.unity08.com/about

Clearly a Hillary Clinton / John McCain Unity ticket would have slightly
more credibility than and Democrat Joe-Blow-Nobody-Ever-Heard-Of and
Republican Jane-Doe-Whosit? ticket, but it's probably also a little less
likely....

Do you think ? ;-)

They sound like an idealistic and sincere group of kids.
At least they're smart enough not to give up their party
affiliation for this quixotic fantasy. I suspect they'll
learn some valuable lessons about American politics.

--
Ken Fortenberry

"JR" wrote in message ...
Mr. Opus McDopus wrote:
"JR" wrote
Mark, you been following the Unity08 business?

http://www.unity08.com/about

No I haven't been. Thanks for the link.

You involved with'em?

No, just keeping an eye on them from time to time to see if anything
serious develops.....

Clearly a Hillary Clinton / John McCain Unity ticket would have slightly
more credibility than and Democrat Joe-Blow-Nobody-Ever-Heard-Of and
Republican Jane-Doe-Whosit? ticket, but it's probably also a little less
likely....

For my part, if they run any known Dem or Repub, I won't consider them.

Op

"JR" wrote in message

Clearly a Hillary Clinton / John McCain Unity ticket would have slightly
more credibility than and Democrat Joe-Blow-Nobody-Ever-Heard-Of and
Republican Jane-Doe-Whosit? ticket, but it's probably also a little less
likely....


.....considerably less likely than Hell freezing over, by my
estimate. Plus, I see no real appeal in a merging of two
known political opportunists.
Tom

riverman wrote:
"Mr. Opus McDopus" wrote in message
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"jeffc" wrote in message
...

Huh? Doesn't sound like you read my post. In any case, granted I was
thinking in my lifetime. And there is really no escaping the fact that
that label of morality police goes to Republicans, not Democrats. With
respect to hypocrisy, I was trying to make a point about morality
policing, not hypocrisy in general.
I think that Steve was trying to point out the neither the Dems nor the
Repubs are worthy of our votes. I could be wrong about Steve's post, but
that's the way I read it.

In any case, thats a horrible point of view, as it ensures the status quo.

And historically, have Americans ever felt so dispondent about the policial
process? If we lose complete faith (in reality, not just rhetorically) in
the our political system, this could be the start of the end of the 'great
experiment'.

So-called third-party voters are dupes. They'd rather sit on
the sidelines and throw spitwads at the players on the field
than get into the game. Like it or not we have a two-party
system in this country, it's the only game in town and it is
not going to change in the foreseeable future. Several things
would have to happen to change the system we've created: the
Supreme Court overturns Buckley v. Valeo and Moore v. Ogilvie,
the 17th Amendment is repealed and the Constitution is amended
to allow proportional representation. In other words, it ain't
gonna happen.

Meanwhile there's a football game going on and one of the teams
is playing with 9 players because some folks are peeved at
football in general and decide to go sit in a corner and play
tiddly-winks.

--
Ken Fortenberry